Rebbiv
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Tom. It isn't the money/dollar amount. It is the value received relative to the pay. As of right now, Cabrera is a bargain. He is the offense for DET.
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Get StartedI understand that he could be great at 35. The problem is not just him but the rest of the team. $98M for 4 players....it will be a miracle to be able to field a competitive team with that much $ going to 4 players. Look at the two teams in the WS this year. They are good from top to bottom. This isn't the NBA where you can win with a few great players.
This year 89 million went to 5 players. They were pretty good. With a healthy Cabrera, they might still be playing.
Name one tradeable player or even a combo of two that would be worth Miguel Cabrera. And be realistic. We're not getting Puig + Kershaw.
given most people on this board have the opinion that he is too good to trade you would think that other GM's would give up the moon and stars to get him.
The problem is you would negate what Cabrera got you in return to offer the moon and starts for him. He's fantastic, but he's 1 player, no GM will give up what he represents in today's value.
We got him because Florida was going to lose him anyways, and they got a ton in return, that just didn't pan out how they hoped. But it's not the same situation as if we were trading him today. Not only has his value peaked exponentially (you seem to be the only one who thinks he's heading for decline), but we can also afford to sign him to whatever contract he wants. We are in no danger of losing him unless he simply wants to go somewhere else.
So in order for us to trade him, it would likely be for a deal no other GM could possibly make without crippling his own franchise.
So the short answer to should we trade him is no, we just cannot get fair value for him in a trade.
The problem is you would negate what Cabrera got you in return to offer the moon and starts for him. He's fantastic, but he's 1 player, no GM will give up what he represents in today's value.
We got him because Florida was going to lose him anyways, and they got a ton in return, that just didn't pan out how they hoped. But it's not the same situation as if we were trading him today. Not only has his value peaked exponentially (you seem to be the only one who thinks he's heading for decline), but we can also afford to sign him to whatever contract he wants. We are in no danger of losing him unless he simply wants to go somewhere else.
So in order for us to trade him, it would likely be for a deal no other GM could possibly make without crippling his own franchise.
So the short answer to should we trade him is no, we just cannot get fair value for him in a trade.
Today's value is what you can get for him. If another GM is willing to give up 2 good every day players and 2 good prospects that is his value. I just think that signing him to an extension is going to cripple this franchise because of the other huge contracts that were given out.
I think a lot of you are in love with the individual players more than the team (not you in particular) I have read comments like "wanting him to retire a Tiger" or "Go into the HOF as a Tiger". I really don't give a crap about any of that.
Name one tradeable player or even a combo of two that would be worth Miguel Cabrera. And be realistic. We're not getting Puig + Kershaw.
I would not make that deal.
Today's value is what you can get for him. If another GM is willing to give up 2 good every day players and 2 good prospects that is his value. I just think that signing him to an extension is going to cripple this franchise because of the other huge contracts that were given out.
I think a lot of you are in love with the individual players more than the team (not you in particular) I have read comments like "wanting him to retire a Tiger" or "Go into the HOF as a Tiger". I really don't give a crap about any of that.
Plain and simple Tom you think Cabrera is declining and we think he's still in his prime. We'd need GREAT players not just good ones to give him away. Like the last post said no team could do that without crippling themselves. Kind of reminds me of the guy on the espn boards last year (who might post in these boards, I wouldn't know.) He thought we should have traded Miggy for Andrus, Ogando, Profar and Matt Harrison or something like that. He, like you, coveted depth so much he was willing to downplay Cabrera's value to a good prospect, a steady MLB SS and a few decent other guys.
That's not even close to his value.
my original premis was that at the beginning of 2016 the Tigers are going to have $98M tied up in 4 players if they extend Miggy. I just don't think you can field a competiteve TEAM with 4 guys making that much. I also think a lot of people here think that one superstar can carry a team to the WS. I think it takes a complete team.
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