Stafford VS. Sanchez

[Mitchrapp]

Players, even in MLB, can find their grove after 27. Stafford just turned 26.

Guy has time to get better. It might be as simple as being in the right offense. Look at Breese. Slightly above average QB in San Diego......All pro in N.O. He was 3 years in the league and 25 before he "got it".

Just because the Lions threw the ball a lot, doesn't mean its a great offense for a qb to be in. It could easily be argued that with a lack of running game,a below average offensive line (until last year) and a terrible defense....it is MORE difficult to be a qb in that offense.

His record means almost NOTHING the first two or three years.....that team was pathetic. It would be like Verlander pitching for the 2003 Tigers. He would probably be at or slightly above .500. Doesn't mean he is a .500 pitcher, right?

Who? Who was in the minors at 27 that "found their groove"..

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Who? Who was in the minors at 27 that "found their groove"..

R.A. Dickey

 

[Mitchrapp]

You can moan all you want at hughes and his posts, I swear some of you do it just to do it, but he's making top money but putting up less than average production. Who gives a fk about 5000 yards..

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Who? Who was in the minors at 27 that "found their groove"..

Wade Boggs was 25.

Still had 3000 hits

 

[Mitchrapp]

Wade Boggs was 25.

Still had 3000 hits

He wasn't 27 though was he?

 

[Mitchrapp]

R.A. Dickey

Great, in 7 years Staff will be there..

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Josh Hamilton was 27.....though the drugs probably had quite a bit to do with that.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Josh Hamilton was 27.....though the drugs probably had quite a bit to do with that.

The point was you're not considered a prospect at that age..at 34, "well Matt still has that potential"..

 

[boogerlovejoy]

The comparison isn't fair either.....most MLB players don't hit their PRIME years until 27or older.....but almost all of them have made their debut.

The numbers prove it.

Staffs best years are ahead of him.....not behind him.

 

[Mitchrapp]

The comparison isn't fair either.....most MLB players don't hit their PRIME years until 27or older.....but almost all of them have made their debut.

The numbers prove it.

Staffs best years are ahead of him.....not behind him.

Really? So he'll be better than 2011?

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Really? So he'll be better than 2011?

Yes.

 

[Mitchrapp]

You just need to face it..maybe he can manage the dumb plays a bit but he is not an above average QB. He's not suddenly going to turn into Drew Brees..

 

[boogerlovejoy]

You just need to face it..maybe he can manage the dumb plays a bit but he is not an above average QB. He's not suddenly going to turn into Drew Brees..

Drew Brees didn't turn into Drew Brees until he was in N.O......at age 27....so I'm not too worried.

you have your opinion....I have mine.

Guess we'll see.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Drew Brees didn't turn into Drew Brees until he was in N.O......at age 27....so I'm not too worried.

you have your opinion....I have mine.

Guess we'll see.

How about when Brees was 25, you know the over 100 QB rating..how'd Staff do at 25..

 

[motown1958]

theres a bottom line to the qb...are you a winner? Staffords record is awful.....like Brandon weeden awful. If he was a middle of the pack qb making middle of the pack money....id have no problem with Stafford at all. But hes a bottom half qb making top 7 money which ties up all the money needed to make the team better. If he doesn't improve he has crippled this organization and theres nothing we can do about it until like 2017. That puts us in a worse situation than sanchez put the jets in....cause they just cut his ass when they knew it wasn't going to work out. If we made ALLLLLL these changes and gave ALLLL this support just to get staff to perform better...and he doesn't.....we STILL cant do anything about it.

What other option would there be. So we shouldn't have extended Stafford? just throw it all away and decide to try to rebuild again. You already drafted a guy with great talent and had shown winning ability. You can argue his winning percentage is low but I can argue the whole team under performed and to blame 1 guy is ignorant. Your opinion should just be that the team fold since nothing the franchise does impresses or appeases you.

 

[swami45]

This argument is like comparing a dog turd to a cat turd. They both stink

 

[mhughes0021]

The comparison isn't fair either.....most MLB players don't hit their PRIME years until 27or older.....but almost all of them have made their debut.

The numbers prove it.

Staffs best years are ahead of him.....not behind him.

I just want his worst years to be behind him...You can try to predict the future all you want...have at it....I just don't want him to repeat looking like a piece of hot garbage like he has the last 2 years.

2012

DET
16 16 435 727 59.8 4,967 6.8 20 17 79.8

2013

DET
16 16 371 634 58.5 4,650 7.3 29 19 84.2

 

[mhughes0021]

What other option would there be. So we shouldn't have extended Stafford? just throw it all away and decide to try to rebuild again. You already drafted a guy with great talent and had shown winning ability. You can argue his winning percentage is low but I can argue the whole team under performed and to blame 1 guy is ignorant. Your opinion should just be that the team fold since nothing the franchise does impresses or appeases you.

So youre saying the jets shouldn't have released sanchez because you shouldn't blame one guy and the entire team underperformed?

Heres a bit of reality for you...they didn't underperform. they just aren't very good as a team. They have 3 mega contracts which means the rest of the team is average or below average. Then atleast 2 of those mega contracts didn't really earn the money they make. Calvin it can be argued earned his. If you want a DT to take up 22 mil in cap space he better be doing more than just eating double teams. Stafford played like a 6 year old girl after the dallas game and pissed away the division.

 

[mhughes0021]

What other option would there be. So we shouldn't have extended Stafford? just throw it all away and decide to try to rebuild again. You already drafted a guy with great talent and had shown winning ability. You can argue his winning percentage is low but I can argue the whole team under performed and to blame 1 guy is ignorant. Your opinion should just be that the team fold since nothing the franchise does impresses or appeases you.

What do you mean what other option would there be? We draft in the top 10 every single frikken year lol.....

but that's partly my point why Stafford has been worse for us....we have very limited options what we can do. So if he continues to suck.....that genious mayhew has put us in a position where we just have to live with it. cant trade him...cant release him....we just get to watch him suck for the rest of his career here.

 

[mhughes0021]

Really? So he'll be better than 2011?

I love it when people keep pointing to 3 years ago to point at what Stafford really is. 3 years ago might as well be 10 years ago in football years lol. it was THREE years ago! and those type of numbers he only put up once in 5 years. Injured 2 years. good 1 year. bad 2 years. Only a homer would continue to look at the 1 good year and think that's what Stafford is. Well....or if ur mayhew and have 1 good season you then extend ur coaching staff, qb....then find out a couple years late rthat maybe you shouldn't have jumped the gun so he fires his coaching staff and is now stuck with Stafford.