The Official PennSt vs ][V][ichigan Game Thread

[Michchamp]

That was you?

And also if you weren?t paying attention to Michigan football, what were you doing there?

I was spiritually supporting the entire planet with deep meditation

 

[tinselwolverine]

I was spiritually supporting the entire planet with deep meditation

That checks out.

 

[Monster]

So you don't think that the team that's beaten 4 ranked teams should be ranked ahead of the team that has beat 1? Michigan may be better, but they have the same record and Tennessee has a much better resume. If anything, be mad that your program had the weakest non conference schedule in the country.

Agreed. 1000%. UM fans getting too upset. Tennessee has some good wins and one over Alabama. Call it SEC bias or whatever, but Bama has been a top 3 team at worst for 15+ years. If you beat them, youre going to get instant respect.

 

[rumseyhouse77]

So you don't think that the team that's beaten 4 ranked teams should be ranked ahead of the team that has beat 1? Michigan may be better, but they have the same record and Tennessee has a much better resume. If anything, be mad that your program had the weakest non conference schedule in the country.

The teams that Tenn beat earlier are not even ranked in the top 25 anymore. The ranking of those teams was hype. It is similar to OSU claiming that it had a tougher early season schedule because it played ND. ND lost the following week to Marshall. Hanging with Bama was impressive, but Bama has looked vulnerable all season. Not as impressive a win as it would have been a year ago.

 

[Spartanmack]

The teams that Tenn beat earlier are not even ranked in the top 25 anymore. The ranking of those teams was hype. It is similar to OSU claiming that it had a tougher early season schedule because it played ND. ND lost the following week to Marshall. Hanging with Bama was impressive, but Bama has looked vulnerable all season. Not as impressive a win as it would have been a year ago.

Was psu?s top 10 ranking not hype? They?ve squeaked by a bunch of unranked nobodies and got throttled by the first decent team they played. Tennessee didn?t just hang with Alabama, they beat them. Other than OSU one time, a B1G team hasn?t hung with Alabama for 10+ years.

As tinsel said week 7 rankings don?t matter but there are reasonable arguments for and against the move. The idea that TN leapfrogging uofm this week is unjustifiable or that uofm is being disrespected is just wrong.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Was psu?s top 10 ranking not hype? They?ve squeaked by a bunch of unranked nobodies and got throttled by the first decent team they played. Tennessee didn?t just hang with Alabama, they beat them. Other than OSU one time, a B1G team hasn?t hung with Alabama for 10+ years.

As tinsel said week 7 rankings don?t matter but there are reasonable arguments for and against the move. The idea that TN leapfrogging uofm this week is unjustifiable or that uofm is being disrespected is just wrong.

I know, right?

Thank you.

Nothing else matters if Michigan doesn?t 1) get revenge against your Spartans 2) win out between that game and the Shoe, 3) finally win again at the Shoe, and 4) win the B1G championship game again. Do that, and nothing Tennessee does or doesn?t do doesn?t matter. Don?t do that, and nothing Tennessee does or doesn?t do also (probably) doesn?t matter.

 

[Spartanmack]

I know, right?

Thank you.

Nothing else matters if Michigan doesn?t 1) get revenge against your Spartans 2) win out between that game and the Shoe, 3) finally win again at the Shoe, and 4) win the B1G championship game again. Do that, and nothing Tennessee does or doesn?t do doesn?t matter. Don?t do that, and nothing Tennessee does or doesn?t do also (probably) doesn?t matter.

If both teams win out TN will most likely have beaten another #1 team (GA), a top 20 UK and another top 5 team in the SEC champ game (prob bama or ole miss) while uofm will have beaten top 2 or 3 osu and some crappy B1G west team (probably Il or Purdue). I have no doubt there will be people complaining about the injustice and disrespect if uofm finishes ranked #2 before the playoff.

 

[tinselwolverine]

If both teams win out TN will most likely have beaten another #1 team (GA), a top 20 UK and another top 5 team in the SEC champ game (prob bama or ole miss) while uofm will have beaten top 2 or 3 osu and some crappy B1G west team (probably Il or Purdue). I have no doubt there will be people complaining about the injustice and disrespect if uofm finishes ranked #2 before the playoff.

I know, right?

But aren?t there going to be 130 teams in a D1 playoff in a year or two anyway?

 

[Spartanmack]

I know, right?

But aren?t there going to be 130 teams in a D1 playoff in a year or two anyway?

I think you're thinking of the NHL, but yeah, apparently the CFP is expanding in the not to distant future. It's like "Spaceballs 2: The Search For More Money"

 

[bphillips4gg]

Tennessee got a ton of credit for barely beating a Bama team that barely got by the Texas A&M team that lost to App State. Michigan got credit for clown stomping a shitty Penn State team. Who cares?

OSU and Georgia look like they're on another level from everyone else so 3-13 makes no difference.

 

[rumseyhouse77]

Was psu?s top 10 ranking not hype? They?ve squeaked by a bunch of unranked nobodies and got throttled by the first decent team they played. Tennessee didn?t just hang with Alabama, they beat them. Other than OSU one time, a B1G team hasn?t hung with Alabama for 10+ years.

As tinsel said week 7 rankings don?t matter but there are reasonable arguments for and against the move. The idea that TN leapfrogging uofm this week is unjustifiable or that uofm is being disrespected is just wrong.

Tennessee beat Bama at home on a last second field goal. Bama was penalized 17 times for 130 yards compared to 6 penalties on Tennessee for 39 yards. Not much of a beating with the home advantage and lopsided penalty calls. PSU beat Purdue in West Lafayette and Auburn in Auburn. Those are not cupcake teams to beat on the road. I don't think that PSU being ranked #10 at this point in the season was hype. Not arguing that the win over Bama wasn't noteworthy, just that it doesn't justify Tennessee jumping Michigan. I think the Coach's Poll has it right.

 

[rumseyhouse77]

If both teams win out TN will most likely have beaten another #1 team (GA), a top 20 UK and another top 5 team in the SEC champ game (prob bama or ole miss) while uofm will have beaten top 2 or 3 osu and some crappy B1G west team (probably Il or Purdue). I have no doubt there will be people complaining about the injustice and disrespect if uofm finishes ranked #2 before the playoff.

If this scenario comes to pass, then TN will have earned the #1 ranking and Michgan the #2 ranking. But I am sure you are right that there will be complaining by some about it being unjustified.

 

[Spartanmack]

Tennessee beat Bama at home on a last second field goal. Bama was penalized 17 times for 130 yards compared to 6 penalties on Tennessee for 39 yards. Not much of a beating with the home advantage and lopsided penalty calls. PSU beat Purdue in West Lafayette and Auburn in Auburn. Those are not cupcake teams to beat on the road. I don't think that PSU being ranked #10 at this point in the season was hype. Not arguing that the win over Bama wasn't noteworthy, just that it doesn't justify Tennessee jumping Michigan. I think the Coach's Poll has it right.

No one said they gave them a beating, just that they beat the #1 ranked team - a team that's very difficult to argue was overrated or at least as overrated as psu. uofm on the other hand, clown stomped a clearly overrated psu team - they have zero quality wins including Purdue who lost to Syracuse and beat FAU at home by 2 in a game where they were outgained on the ground and in the passing game. And apparently you're unaware of the state of Auburn football - they're a dumpster fire. They're so bad they could be worse than my Spartans.

Tennessee leapfrogging uofm isn't an injustice, it's debatable but the AP poll is probably right BUT it also doesn't matter.

 

[Spartanmack]

If this scenario comes to pass, then TN will have earned the #1 ranking and Michgan the #2 ranking. But I am sure you are right that there will be complaining by some about it being unjustified.

It's doubtful that scenario will come to pass - I don't think either team will win out. TN has to play at GA and uofm has to play at osu. I think GA and OSU will most likely win out although GA does have a fairly tough slate w/ 3 top 25 teams in a row starting w/ TN the first week in November and then the SEC Championship game if they make it.

 

[Michchamp]

take the rankings away and TN's win was not impressive. the outcome was a toss up, neither team played well; Alabama in fact played like a pile of dogshit.

That muffed punt return was one of the dumbest plays I've ever seen a football player make, at any level. Plus they set a school record for penalties I think.

I don't know if we could beat them at the end of the season, but right now I'd wager we would steamroll either

 

[Spartanmack]

take the rankings away and TN's win was not impressive. the outcome was a toss up, neither team played well; Alabama in fact played like a pile of dogshit.

That muffed punt return was one of the dumbest plays I've ever seen a football player make, at any level. Plus they set a school record for penalties I think.

I don't know if we could beat them at the end of the season, but right now I'd wager we would steamroll either

This post is the muffed punt return of arguments on this thread - yeah, take away the rankings to compare the outcome of games that determine the rankings people are arguing about.

Also, I'd take that bet for whatever size you have. When was the last time you saw a team play like a pile of dogshit and still score 49 points?

 

[bphillips4gg]

This post is the muffed punt return of arguments on this thread - yeah, take away the rankings to compare the outcome of games that determine the rankings people are arguing about.

Also, I'd take that bet for whatever size you have.

You're trying to argue that Michigan's quality win isn't that quality because PSU was overrated (ignoring the rankings) then saying that you can't ignore the rankings...

If their name wasn't Bama they would not have been ranked #1 after close calls against Texas and Texas A&M. They were very clearly overrated, just like Penn State, and that was evident before Tennessee beat them.

 

[Michchamp]

You're trying to argue that Michigan's quality win isn't that quality because PSU was overrated (ignoring the rankings) then saying that you can't ignore the rankings...

If their name wasn't Bama they would not have been ranked #1 after close calls against Texas and Texas A&M. They were very clearly overrated, just like Penn State, and that was evident before Tennessee beat them.

Right. ratings still need to be taken with a grain or salt. few of the best teams have actually played eachother yet. and like... if you actually watched the UT-Bama game (I don't think spartanmack did) you wouldn't be very impressed with either team, aside from the QB's hitting wide open receivers all day.

Bama played like shit, and UT STILL almost handed them a win.

in contrast, we lined up, and ran it right over Penn State all day, while stifling them on offense. Penn State KNEW what we were going to do and couldn't stop us.

If you take away the tipped pick-6 and Clifford's lucky run, the score would've been 41-3 or worse

 

[rumseyhouse77]

It's doubtful that scenario will come to pass - I don't think either team will win out. TN has to play at GA and uofm has to play at osu. I think GA and OSU will most likely win out although GA does have a fairly tough slate w/ 3 top 25 teams in a row starting w/ TN the first week in November and then the SEC Championship game if they make it.

I doubt TN can win out, but I think Michigan has a good chance of beating OSU in Columbus. THE GAME will not be easy for either team, but I think the Michigan offense is better than last year and the defense is also pretty darn good, maybe as good as last year. From what I have seen OSU is about the same on defense as they were last year, Michigan will be able to score points on them. I expect it will come down to whether the defense can get to Stroud and the oline can give McCarthy time to throw. It will be a tough game for both teams.

But we are getting ahead of ourselves. Michigan needs to focus on giving a beatdown to the Spartans right now.

 

[Spartanmack]

You're trying to argue that Michigan's quality win isn't that quality because PSU was overrated (ignoring the rankings) then saying that you can't ignore the rankings...

If their name wasn't Bama they would not have been ranked #1 after close calls against Texas and Texas A&M. They were very clearly overrated, just like Penn State, and that was evident before Tennessee beat them.

LOL, criticizing the rankings is ignoring the rankings. That's a good one. No, saying psu was overrated is NOT ignoring the rankings - it's directly addressing the rankings and pointing out in that particular case that they were clearly wrong. Saying stupid things like "take the rankings away and TN's win was not impressive" because they didn't win by 27 like uofm did, is ignoring the rankings.

Alabama wasn't ranked #1 after the close call with Texas - the were leapfrogged by Georgia in the AP poll. They regained the ranking in week 6 before playing A&M and they dropped 5 spots after losing on the road to the team currently ranked 3rd best in the country. Clearly, they weren't clearly overrated, not anything like psu, who got throttled by the first decent team they played.