The Torture Report

[zyxt9]

That's fine in terms of research, as the recipients of the supplement are willing participants. Doesn't mean if used in interrogation situation that it isn't a form of torture.

Keeping in mind I am not saying I am in opposition, but I do recognize the aspects that those wanting to abolish torture altogether will point to and be against.

It would be awesome to never need any form of torture, including incarceration. Reality is different from theory unfortunately. Reality involves people, some who are full of hatred and willingness to do very bad things to others.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Doesn't mean if used in interrogation situation that it isn't a form of torture.

Nobody is suggesting using it for interrogation. The finding that it messes with memory means you want to interrogate people with low cortisol levels. There's no reason to give them more than they are producing on their own. The problem is that stress causes people to produce cortisol.

 

[Michchamp]

Nobody is suggesting using it for interrogation. The finding that it messes with memory means you want to interrogate people with low cortisol levels. There's no reason to give them more than they are producing on their own. The problem is that stress causes people to produce cortisol.

I think this has all been known for decades now, and it's crazy to me much of the US media continues to allow Cheney, Bush Jr., Hayden, Brennan, etc. are able to go on TV and portray this as some sort of fair debate.

Torture was used by totalitarian despots to produce false confessions, period. that's it. You want to create an enemy to distract your population? Torture people into giving false confessions & bad info. This has been established for decades...

I suspect one of the other, more nefarious reasons that not only was toture committed, but a torture regime officially implemented was to send a message to opponents of the Bush Administration's "War on Terror" within the US Government that dissent would not be tolerated (see also, this). They would and could do anything they wanted to crush all opposition, even blatantly violating US law (ratified treaties have the force of law under the constitution) with impunity.

No mortal would stop the money train once it got rolling...

 

[byco42]

I vote we torture Michchamp on general principles ...

 

[Gulo Blue]

I vote we torture Michchamp on general principles ...

Haven't all Michigan fans had enough cortisol since 2007?

 

[byco42]

Haven't all Michigan fans had enough cortisol since 2007?

I say we make MC chance his nick to MichStateChamp and make him fluff the Spartans for a year.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I say we make MC chance his nick to MichStateChamp and make him fluff the Spartans for a year.

He's contrarian enough, I think he could do it if he had a reason to.

 

[Michchamp]

He's contrarian enough, I think he could do it if he had a reason to.

First of all, I'm not contrarian. It's not my fault most of you fucks are poorly read, poorly reasoned, and just plain WRONG about so much.

Second of all, even if I was contrarian, I'm insulted you think my contrarian nature would be enough to trump my loyalty to Michigan.

Screw you guys.

 

[Gulo Blue]

First of all, I'm not contrarian. It's not my fault most of you fucks are poorly read, poorly reasoned, and just plain WRONG about so much.

Second of all, even if I was contrarian, I'm insulted you think my contrarian nature would be enough to trump my loyalty to Michigan.

Screw you guys.

There you go being so contrarian you think it's more important to disagree with me than figure out what I actually wrote. I didn't say a thing about trumping your loyalty. I said you could do it "if <you> had a reason to" meaning you have the ability, not the motive.

 

[Michchamp]

There you go being so contrarian you think it's more important to disagree with me than figure out what I actually wrote. I didn't say a thing about trumping your loyalty. I said you could do it "if <you> had a reason to" meaning you have the ability, not the motive.

No... Reason or not I wouldn't do something like that, you vagina

 

[Gulo Blue]

No... Reason or not I wouldn't do something like that, you vagina

Quit drinking and go to bed.

 

[Michchamp]

Meet the Press should be understood as our version of Pravda.

what a steaming pile of filth and excrement.

 

[Gulo Blue]

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/mccain-japanese-hanged-for-waterboarding/

Republican presidential candidate John McCain reminded people Thursday that some Japanese were tried and hanged for torturing American prisoners during World War II with techniques that included waterboarding.

"There should be little doubt from American history that we consider that as torture otherwise we wouldn't have tried and convicted Japanese for doing that same thing to Americans," McCain said during a news conference.

 

[Michchamp]

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/mccain-japanese-hanged-for-waterboarding/

indeed. It's also amusing that some were trotting out the line that even if torture is bad, we did it for the right reasons, and it doesn't reflect on our national moral standing among nations... yet the latest polls said > 50% of Americans SUPPORTED torturing people (and among Americans who identified as Christians, that number was even higher... because Jesus?).

Hopefully that's only due to all the propaganda spun by the Bush Administration & CIA that torture "worked," which they can no longer assert as forcefully, thanks to the Report.

Sen. Wyden stated that the Obama Administration (via Dir. Brennan) has claimed they no longer torture, though have left the door open to doing it again. he wants to pass a bill unequivocably closing this door. link to WaPo Interview. He's hopeful that the Report will start to sway more people, making it possible to pass such a bill even after the GOP takes over the House and Senate next year.

 

[byco42]

MC is so 1970's cutting edge with the avatars.

 

[KAWDUP]

I, of course, am not in favor of torture. For me personally, it is on 100% moral grounds. The end does not justify the means. This is extremely hard to live by when this tenet also includes something negative that has happened to your enemies. Keep in mind as I have stated before, I do not vote or support a political party or candidate based on my own morals, although I have a hard time with politicians who say they are Christian or Catholic, but then show rather publicly how hypocritical that statement is.