The Trump/Russia allegations

[Michchamp]

Buzzfeed and CNN should be ashamed of themselves. Running with a story like this without credible evidence is insane. I don't know if it's true or not, but they look really bad right now. Well, I take that back. Buzzfeed has looked bad for a long time and CNN has been falling down a bottomless pit for years. They just look worse.

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wait a minute, I've been reading more about this. in the original reporting, did they report on the existence of the dossier, or actually push the allegations in it as truth? the former is legitimate reporting, but the latter is not.

 

[Gulo Blue]

i think there's a big difference between interfering in a campaign and tampering with an election. There's no evidence to suggest the Russians actually tampered with any votes. And to suggest that it's the source and not the actual facts revealed that we should be more concerned about is nonsense. I'm not saying the Russians hacking the DNC isn't a problem, it clearly is. But to suggest this revelation of the truth invalidates the results of a free and fair election is ridiculous.

The concern is continued Russian influence. The compromising information on Trump is probably BS, but if they are planting reports with British intelligence in an effort to undermine our system, Trump needs to be pissed at Russia, not CNN.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Reminds me of the yellowcake documents. Everybody gets so political about the US part of the leak, they lose track of the fact that we need to go after the original source. Where did this British guy get his info?

 

[Michchamp]

I never heard anything like that; nor about Obama being gay or Hillary being involved with a Muslim brotherhood.

I guess I don't hang out with enough Trump supporters.

so my wife's friend's husband is in the Army and he believes all this shit. He's an officer - went to West Point no less - so he's not just like some 19year old dingbat from the sticks.

he actually told us Hillary Clinton is a lesbian, which was one of his "reasons" for supporting Trump.

this is the same guy who I was told to buy NA beer for because his wife doesn't let him drink, who then came up to me with his ODouls and said "hey my wife said NA beer is still bad to drink, do you have something else?"

Uh... water? there's a hose out back...

 

[Michchamp]

Starts to make sense why everything the military touches these days turns to shit...

 

[Monster]

wait a minute, I've been reading more about this. in the original reporting, did they report on the existence of the dossier, or actually push the allegations in it as truth? the former is legitimate reporting, but the latter is not.

I'm not accusing CNN of releasing the dossier. They certainly haven't. What annoys me is releasing sensitive information that may or may not be true about a man who is about to be president in about a week. Just the fact that they were reporting that Russia attempted to compromise Trump is incredible.

I'm not saying this isn't true - I'd just like to see that our news sources are actually confirming stories that are this sensitive before reporting them. I don't like it when they do it to liberal politicians and I don't like it when they do it to Trump. This type of thing could potentially hurt his personal life, his public life, and especially his political life. Even if it isn't true, there will still be people who believe it to be true.

 

[Michchamp]

well, if they cofirmed the dossier exists, and for example, McCain had a copy and forwarded it to the FBI, THAT should be reported. If they were just speculating on that or speculating on what was in the dossier, that's not good journalism, that's like what Breitbart & Alex Jones do.

 

[Monster]

well, if they cofirmed the dossier exists, and for example, McCain had a copy and forwarded it to the FBI, THAT should be reported. If they were just speculating on that or speculating on what was in the dossier, that's not good journalism, that's like what Breitbart & Alex Jones do.

I agree. It seems it has been confirmed, but I still don't like it. Are we at the point in history where every allegation is made public no matter how much evidence there is to back it up? You can easily ruin someone's life by being so irresponsible.

I really hate Trump's response, too, though. Immature and very petty. The next four years are going to suck. Just waiting for him to throw reporters out of a press conference. I'm really shocked he didn't throw out CNN yesterday. No, he just humiliated the guy. Classy.

 

[Spartanmack]

The concern is continued Russian influence. The compromising information on Trump is probably BS, but if they are planting reports with British intelligence in an effort to undermine our system, Trump needs to be pissed at Russia, not CNN.

yeah, I've made that same point but I disagree with you on one point - Trump should be pissed and the Russians AND CNN. The buzzfeed piece is crap as is CNN beating the dead horse - it's just an attempt to keep the story alive. The lie about the Russians rigging the election gets repeated or new lies piled on because if they say it enough times, knowing most people won't do any real due diligence, they'll hopefully convince enough people that the election wasn't valid.

 

[Spartanmack]

I agree. It seems it has been confirmed, but I still don't like it. Are we at the point in history where every allegation is made public no matter how much evidence there is to back it up? You can easily ruin someone's life by being so irresponsible.

I really hate Trump's response, too, though. Immature and very petty. The next four years are going to suck. Just waiting for him to throw reporters out of a press conference. I'm really shocked he didn't throw out CNN yesterday. No, he just humiliated the guy. Classy.

they can confirm that the dossier exists without divulging the unconfirmed details in it. But that's what CNN and Buzzfeed do when their candidate loses.

 

[Monster]

they can confirm that the dossier exists without divulging the unconfirmed details in it. But that's what CNN and Buzzfeed do when their candidate loses.

Well, CNN only verified that it exists, but even doing that and suggesting that Trump may essentially be a Russian Puppet is a huge bomb.

 

[TheVictors]

I can't believe Donald trump is the president. I can't believe how he behaves on Twitter ...or simply how he behaves. I'm now actually scared about his incredible lack of understanding about the world and what it takes to govern.

I'm also confused about Russia and why a us president would ever want to be in bed with them. The country is run by the mafia and the Ukraine is home to more hackers than any place on earth.

I also don't understand why Russia, the FBI and hackers were in collusion to ruin Clinton.

I've never been more embarrassed as an American yet made a relative shitload of money since the election, but would gladly trade that short term windfall for some dignity and integrity in D.C.

And spare me the "Killary" narrative because she lost.

For once I want a trump supporter to endorse him - tout him - not just bitch about Hillary or make up lies about Obama and the past 8yrs.

 

[KAWDUP]

I'm now actually scared about his incredible lack of understanding about the world and what it takes to govern.

You don't really sound very scared. If it is same kind of scared that one would have for the first black president with no almost no governing experience, then, yep, I understand. I get it - fear of the unknown, or fear of losing some net worth.

But think of this another way:
1) Someone came and forcibly took over your house and started killing your loved ones.
2) You have gone bankrupt and are preparing to be homeless.
3) Your house burns down, and you have no insurance.
4) A natural disaster destroys your city.
5) Someone decides you don't deserve medical attention due to the expense, and your quality of life ranks just above being left for dead.

These are things I am afraid of. Really afraid. Having a president like Trump ranks about 1000 times below any of these things on the "scary" list. Please come post again when this president truly is the cause of something like this happening to you.

I'm also confused about Russia and why a us president would ever want to be in bed with them.

Currently this is still just supposition that it is even being considered. Call me when it actually happens.

I also don't understand why Russia, the FBI and hackers were in collusion to ruin Clinton.

If you really want to know why, all you have to do is follow the money. You would be surprised how self-serving these people can be.

I've never been more embarrassed as an American yet made a relative shitload of money since the election, but would gladly trade that short term windfall for some dignity and integrity in D.C.

Again you don't really sound very embarrassed. Sounds like just words. I was embarrassed to be an American when we bombed the Chinese embassy by mistake. I am embarrassed to be an American when I see the abject cruelty which some in power are willing to carry out on other human beings.

Oh, I know, you're embarrassed you made all that money, and didn't give it to charity?

There are so many more things that are worse than having a president like Trump, it isn't even funny.

So to put it in your words - spare me the manufactured sense of indignation.

 

[Michchamp]

It IS pretty damn embarassing that our president-elect is a carnival barker-esque failed real estate developer, & shitty reality TV show host. and the sleazy beauty pageants and "marriages of convenience"...

if that's the president we deserve, as they say, man-oh-man that makes me want to start drinking very heavily.

 

[tinselwolverine]

It IS pretty damn embarassing that our president-elect is a carnival barker-esque failed real estate developer, & shitty reality TV show host. and the sleazy beauty pageants and "marriages of convenience"...

if that's the president we deserve, as they say, man-oh-man that makes me want to start drinking very heavily.

Well "shitty reality TV host" is a subjective opinion - I wasn't a watcher of the show but a lot of people watched it. So as far as attracting an audience, he was arguably a pretty good reality TV host.

I wasn't disappointed when Trump won and I wouldn't have been disappointed if Clinton had won.

I'm not disappointed when going to the dentist is an unpleasant experience.

Also you talk about drinking quite often already.

 

[mhughes0021]

I'm not accusing CNN of releasing the dossier. They certainly haven't. What annoys me is releasing sensitive information that may or may not be true about a man who is about to be president in about a week. Just the fact that they were reporting that Russia attempted to compromise Trump is incredible.

I'm not saying this isn't true - I'd just like to see that our news sources are actually confirming stories that are this sensitive before reporting them. I don't like it when they do it to liberal politicians and I don't like it when they do it to Trump. This type of thing could potentially hurt his personal life, his public life, and especially his political life. Even if it isn't true, there will still be people who believe it to be true.

Our fbi reopened hillarys emails case a week before the election unfairly and unjustly. What the fuck makes you think CNN is off limits if the FBI pulls this type of BS?

 

[TheVictors]

You don't really sound very scared. If it is same kind of scared that one would have for the first black president with no almost no governing experience, then, yep, I understand. I get it - fear of the unknown, or fear of losing some net worth.

But think of this another way:
1) Someone came and forcibly took over your house and started killing your loved ones.
2) You have gone bankrupt and are preparing to be homeless.
3) Your house burns down, and you have no insurance.
4) A natural disaster destroys your city.
5) Someone decides you don't deserve medical attention due to the expense, and your quality of life ranks just above being left for dead.

These are things I am afraid of. Really afraid. Having a president like Trump ranks about 1000 times below any of these things on the "scary" list. Please come post again when this president truly is the cause of something like this happening to you.



Currently this is still just supposition that it is even being considered. Call me when it actually happens.



If you really want to know why, all you have to do is follow the money. You would be surprised how self-serving these people can be.



Again you don't really sound very embarrassed. Sounds like just words. I was embarrassed to be an American when we bombed the Chinese embassy by mistake. I am embarrassed to be an American when I see the abject cruelty which some in power are willing to carry out on other human beings.

Oh, I know, you're embarrassed you made all that money, and didn't give it to charity?

There are so many more things that are worse than having a president like Trump, it isn't even funny.

So to put it in your words - spare me the manufactured sense of indignation.

Go Fuck Yourself asshole. Don't ever address me directly again you racist cunt. And don't ever lecture about charity or altruism.

 

[jwlcosu]

Go Fuck Yourself asshole. Don't ever address me directly again you racist cunt. And don't ever lecture about charity or altruism.

Damn, Vic, you sound like one of those hysterical shrews that stormed DC on Saturday. You and Madonna. Get a grip, man!

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