Today's example of Christians behaving badly

[evolutionkb]

Huckabee said today he supports the idea that the 10 year old from South America that was raped and impregnated by her step dad should have to carry the baby to term.

 

[grandy]

Even if I may completely disagree with him, at least Huckabee appears to be consistent on the issue. Of course you never know when something might pop up, like with rep Scott DesJarlais, making him look like a massive hypocrite.

Either way, Huckabee is pretty irrelevant right now, this probably does nothing to help him (or hurt him, one might argue).

 

[Gulo Blue]

Even if I may completely disagree with him, at least Huckabee appears to be consistent on the issue. Of course you never know when something might pop up, like with rep Scott DesJarlais, making him look like a massive hypocrite.

Either way, Huckabee is pretty irrelevant right now, this probably does nothing to help him (or hurt him, one might argue).

I don't consider it to be consistent to be pro-life because of your Christianity and then turn around and waffle on the death penalty.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I agree that he's irrelevant.

 

[Michchamp]

the current GOP race is basically been reduced to each candidate saying something shocking to get their name out there... it's a yelling contest; a race to the bottom (lead by Trump) that has long since cratered.

I guess Huckabee sort of gets a pass for his statement, when you consider the context.

 

[grandy]

I don't consider it to be consistent to be pro-life because of your Christianity and then turn around and waffle on the death penalty.

I was only referring to the single issue of abortion. Abortion and the death penalty are another can of worms, and one I can't really understand. I've met several religious pro-lifers who are indeed consistent on both, but that doesn't seem to be the majority opinion among republican voters.

As someone who doesn't have strong opinions on either, it's odd to see such a left-right divide on both issues combined, figuring there would be more gray area (maybe there is and that's just what's portrayed in the media).

 

[Michchamp]

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As someone who doesn't have strong opinions on either, it's odd to see such a left-right divide on both issues combined, figuring there would be more gray area (maybe there is and that's just what's portrayed in the media).

America: a country with two political parties that agree on everything except abortion! And people vote because of that...

 

[Spartanmack]

America: a country with two political parties that agree on everything except abortion! And people vote because of that...

Do they? I've never seen a survey for a national election that puts abortion in the top 10 of most important issues among voters for liberals or conservatives.

 

[evolutionkb]

Even if I may completely disagree with him, at least Huckabee appears to be consistent on the issue. Of course you never know when something might pop up, like with rep Scott DesJarlais, making him look like a massive hypocrite.

Either way, Huckabee is pretty irrelevant right now, this probably does nothing to help him (or hurt him, one might argue).

Stolen from Reddit:

What the Huckster said: ?I just come down on the side that every life is precious. I don?t think we discount the intrinsic worth of any human being, and I don?t know where else to go with it.?

?but let?s not compound the tragedy by taking yet another life.?

So you commuted all the Arkansas death row inmates to life during your decade as Governor, right?

 

[grandy]

Christian-based company using slave labor to make cornhole games?

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/373d...3/inmates-say-they-worked-free-jail-officials

Inmates say they worked for free for jail officials

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) — Former inmates at a privately run Nashville jail say they worked without pay building bean-bag "cornhole" games, plaques shaped like footballs, birdhouses and dog beds so that officials could sell them through their personal business at a flea market.

Inmates can legally be required to work without pay, in some circumstances, but jail employees are not supposed to profit from their labor. But former inmates Larry Stephney and Charles Brew say that is what happened with Stand Firm Designs, run by two jail employees and one former employee, according to their business card.

Although the company website says Stand Firm Designs is "composed of retired contractors," Stephney and Brew said they produced some of the company's products while working without pay in the jail's woodshop under fear of retaliation.

Those products were sold at the Nashville Flea Market and through the website, they said. Plaques went for $10 to $20 and bean-bag toss games commonly called cornhole were $50, they said.

A section of the website with pictures of the plaques Stephney and Brew say they produced has recently been taken down.

To prove the items being sold by Stand Firm Designs were made by inmates, Stephney and Brew concealed their names under pieces of wood nailed to the backs of items. They also wrote the number 412148, which refers to a section of Tennessee code that makes it illegal for jail officials to require an inmate to perform labor that results in the official's personal gain. The AP was shown some of the items with the concealed names and numbers.

Stand Firm Designs is operated by Rob Hill, a building trades instructor at the Metro-Davidson County Detention Facility; Steven Binkley, a computer instructor who works out of a room adjoining the woodworking shop; and Roy Napper, who formerly worked at the jail run by Corrections Corporation of America.

The former inmates said Hill and Binkley also took orders from guards and higher-ups throughout the jail for the products they produced.

The Tennessee Bureau of Investigation is probing allegations of misuse of inmate labor at the facility, at the request of Davidson County District Attorney General Glenn Funk.

Messages left for Hill and Binkley were not returned. Napper said the allegations are not true.

"All I can tell you is it's really just a bogus thing. There's not really any slave labor going on over there," he said. "Since it's under investigation, I can't really tell you anything else."

While some of the things Stephney and Brew built were for the facility, like cabinets, most were not, they said. At one point they made 25 birdhouses that they were told were for one of the wardens, Stephney and Brew said.

A message for the warden was not returned.

The jail is run by Nashville-based Corrections Corporation of America, the nation's largest private prison operator, through a contract with the Davidson County Sheriff's Office. The sheriff's office referred questions to CCA. Company spokesman Jonathan Burns said in an email that CCA was cooperating with the investigation, and that the company has a zero-tolerance policy regarding criminal conduct by employees. He declined to address the specific allegations.

The Stand Firm Designs website calls the company a "Christian-based organization" and alludes to the company name with a Bible quote on the home page, "Be on your guard; stand firm in the faith; be courageous; be strong." The company's logo is its initials inside a Christian fish symbol.

Stephney said his job title at the jail was "tutor" in the building trades department. Rather than helping other inmates learn a trade, he said he spent six hours a day, five days a week working without pay for Hill, Binkley and Napper. Although other inmates were supposed to be learning about building, only the tutors were allowed to touch the tools in the woodshop, he said.

Brew was a tutor but also a trustee who had permission to move around the facility fairly freely. That meant sometimes working even longer hours than Stephney.

"I've been in that shop at 11 o'clock at night, 1 o'clock in the morning," Brew said.

Of the work programs in general, CCA's Burns said in an email, "Providing inmates with voluntary, high-quality and impactful re-entry programs that help prepare them for success upon release is one of CCA's top priorities."

Burns said programs like the building trades class at the Metro-Davidson County Detention Facility are voluntary, and inmates can discontinue participation upon giving notice in accordance with established procedures.

Stephney and Brew said they did not feel free to refuse the work. Stephney said he was afraid of making a complaint, worrying that contraband could be planted in his cell, jeopardizing his parole.

"You do anything there as an inmate, you get put in the hole," Stephney said. "If they do something wrong, they should get in trouble too."

Brew also worried something bad would happen to him if he complained.

"It was common knowledge," he said. "Who are you going to tell? I couldn't even file a grievance on the issue."

Both Stephney and Brew were serving time for probation violations. Stephney was released in June and Brew was released in July.

Tennessee Bureau of Investigation spokesman Josh Devine said Friday the investigation is ongoing.​

 

[Michchamp]

this Christian was arrested trying to kill people in Kansas with a bomb for disagreeing with his moral views.

EDIT: police say he was there legitamately (???) and just happened to be carrying a bomb in a backpack with a bunch of knives.

not sure...

 

[Michchamp]

it's sad that due to the malfeasance of its adherents, the longest thread on this board is Christians behaving badly.

I'll try to counter that with a little good news from another thread.

 

[grandy]

it's sad that due to the malfeasance of its adherents, the longest thread on this board is Christians behaving badly.

I'll try to counter that with a little good news from another thread.

The sad part is that a dedicated "Muslims behaving badly" thread could probably outdo this one.

To be honest, a lot of stories here are mostly exposing hypocrisy with the occasional criminal behavior. Not quite on par with blowing up children or beheading bloggers.

 

[Michchamp]

The sad part is that a dedicated "Muslims behaving badly" thread could probably outdo this one.

To be honest, a lot of stories here are mostly exposing hypocrisy with the occasional criminal behavior. Not quite on par with blowing up children or beheading bloggers.

well, technically agree with you, although I think you have to put the "Muslims behaving badly" in context: Yemen, Syria, and Iraq are in the midst of full-blown civil wars. WE contributed heavily to the disorder. In Iraq we contributed 100% of the unrest, i.e. it was entirely a result of our actions.

If some fictional superpower took DC, disbanded the US military and government, packed them with unpopular toadies, destroyed almost all our regional infrastructure and local government... I'd be willing to be the myriad of David Koresh-cult leaders, white-supremacists, and other freaks that rose up to fill the power void would rival ISIS for violent and depraved behavior.

 

[evolutionkb]

Some more Duggary now. http://gawker.com/family-values-activist-josh-duggar-had-a-paid-ashley-ma-1725132091

He had two paid Ashley Madison accounts(that is the website for cheating on your spouse), nearly $1000 total paid. This just adds to his list. Good thing he quit that family values group after he diddled his sisters.

 

[grandy]

Well this is one way to put 25 people out of a job

http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/canada/thu...re-after-workers-vote-to-join-union-1.3197723

Fort Frances-area Gingrich Woodcraft cites faith for closure after workers vote to join union

'We are required by scripture to "live peaceably with all men,"' company says as union files complaint

A furniture manufacturer in Devlin, near Fort Frances, Ont., has closed its doors for what it calls religious reasons after workers voted in favour of joining a union.

Gingrich Woodcraft said in a statement that, as Christian business owners, their personal beliefs do not allow them freedom to work with a labour union.

The company stated, "We are required by scripture to 'live peaceably with all men,' and not to use force to gain what we want or for what is required to succeed."

Earlier this month, 25 workers at the plant voted 69 percent in favour of joining Unifor, the largest private-sector union in the country.

Less than a week later, workers were told the plant would be shut down.

'This is against the law'

Unifor said Thursday afternoon that the union has filed a complaint against Gingrich Woodcraft with the Ontario Labour Relations Board.

"All I can tell you is this: This is against the law," said Unifor national representative Stephen Boon. "You cannot threaten or intimidate workers and take action directly aimed at unionization, and that's what this employer has done."

Boon said the company had been co-operative with the union, right up until the time of the vote. He hopes the owner will seek legal counsel.

"This could go away as soon as they realize what they are doing is against the law," he said. If not, Boon expects a labour relations hearing would take place in September.

Gingrich Woodcraft had been in business for 18 years.​

 

[Michchamp]

Jesus was Anti-Union, right? It's right there in the bible according to the Koch Brothers... chapter 1 versus 3-14.

Christ was compassionate to all poors, except when they attempted to unionize instead of patiently waiting for "trickle down" benefits; then the gloves came off and he started swinging the lead pipe at them on the pickets.

 

[Monster]

Lol, turns out that Josh Duggar's mistress was a porn star, who he paid for. She said he was really rough. Some chick named Danica Dillon.

I think he is the real threat to traditional marriage. Wow.

 

[tomdalton22]

Well this is one way to put 25 people out of a job

http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/canada/thu...re-after-workers-vote-to-join-union-1.3197723

Fort Frances-area Gingrich Woodcraft cites faith for closure after workers vote to join union

'We are required by scripture to "live peaceably with all men,"' company says as union files complaint

A furniture manufacturer in Devlin, near Fort Frances, Ont., has closed its doors for what it calls religious reasons after workers voted in favour of joining a union.

Gingrich Woodcraft said in a statement that, as Christian business owners, their personal beliefs do not allow them freedom to work with a labour union.

The company stated, "We are required by scripture to 'live peaceably with all men,' and not to use force to gain what we want or for what is required to succeed."

Earlier this month, 25 workers at the plant voted 69 percent in favour of joining Unifor, the largest private-sector union in the country.

Less than a week later, workers were told the plant would be shut down.

'This is against the law'

Unifor said Thursday afternoon that the union has filed a complaint against Gingrich Woodcraft with the Ontario Labour Relations Board.

"All I can tell you is this: This is against the law," said Unifor national representative Stephen Boon. "You cannot threaten or intimidate workers and take action directly aimed at unionization, and that's what this employer has done."

Boon said the company had been co-operative with the union, right up until the time of the vote. He hopes the owner will seek legal counsel.

"This could go away as soon as they realize what they are doing is against the law," he said. If not, Boon expects a labour relations hearing would take place in September.

Gingrich Woodcraft had been in business for 18 years.​

How is it against the law? If they choose to close their doors they are entitled to do so.

 

[Michchamp]

today's example comes from Sterling Heights with a twist: local Christians oppose re-zoning a 4 acre residential plot to allow it to be developed into a Mosque and Islamic cultural center. They may have legitimate concerns over traffic, noise, property values, and the like, but that's not why they're opposing it (link):

?This mosque is going to bring people like this. I do not want to be near people like this,? one resident ... said at the City Council meeting as he held up a photo of women in burkas. ?This is not humanity. ? It is not right to live with people like this. This is not acceptable at all because these people are scaring the public. And they don?t care. ? Can we prohibit this kind of public thing? We see them at the mall every day. We see them at shopping. Can we prohibit this? Can we make law against this? It?s scary and disgusting.?
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?My grandfather built a house that backs up to this so-called mosque, worship, whatever it is. These guys are forcing out of this neighborhood. I have young children, they watch the news and now they?re getting scared. ? These people who are coming in are not beneficial to this area at all. Worship, no worship, whatever it may be. This facility is to store weapons, training, whatever it is.?
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Picture who is saying these things... loudmouth, abrasive Italian-American bigots? local Trump supporters? The Sterling Heights Tea Party chapter?

No! This vociferously racist opposition comes from none other than those unique-to-Detroit-partystore-owning-Iraqi Christians, known as Chaldeans!

Side note: That could be a Jeff Foxworthy routine: "If you know what a Chaldean is... why then, you might just be from Metro-Detroit!"