Trump Weakens Endangered Species Act

[dubbsco]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/12/climate/endangered-species-act-changes.html

Whatcha got conservatives? What's next, Trump going to go piss in our kids' cereal?

What a joke.

 

[Spartanmack]

Here's what I got so far...

 

[Michchamp]

libruals bad.

destroyingg envieorenment good.

 

[Spartanmack]

libruals bad.

destroyingg envieorenment good.

except it's not at all clear that these changes will destroy or even harm the environment. Just because a law has a name that sounds nice and makes you feel good, doesn't mean it's a good law or that it does what the title says it would do or that it can't be better.

 

[dubbsco]

except it's not at all clear that these changes will destroy or even harm the environment. Just because a law has a name that sounds nice and makes you feel good, doesn't mean it's a good law or that it does what the title says it would do or that it can't be better.

"The administration's finalized rule makes it easier to remove the endangered designation and allow for a cost analysis when considering protections of species."

"One of the changes will allow economic costs to be taken into account while determining whether a species warrants protection. Another will weaken the initial protections given to species deemed to be threatened, one step shy of being endangered."

So, what aren't you getting here? The act is to remove/make it easier for corporations to build/establish land in areas that were deemed essential for the recovery of endangered wildlife and not protecting animals that are closer to the designation.

I did not know it was that complicated? Why would this be enacted OTHER than to allow companies to build shit in areas where they aren't supposed to before?

 

[tinselwolverine]

This is likely to make it harder for human beings to get onto the endangered species list.

 

[Spartanmack]

"The administration's finalized rule makes it easier to remove the endangered designation and allow for a cost analysis when considering protections of species."

"One of the changes will allow economic costs to be taken into account while determining whether a species warrants protection. Another will weaken the initial protections given to species deemed to be threatened, one step shy of being endangered."

So, what aren't you getting here? The act is to remove/make it easier for corporations to build/establish land in areas that were deemed essential for the recovery of endangered wildlife and not protecting animals that are closer to the designation.

I did not know it was that complicated? Why would this be enacted OTHER than to allow companies to build shit in areas where they aren't supposed to before?

I read the article, thanks. Economic costs should be taken into consideration while determining whether a species warrants protection. I don't think Americans should necessarily lose jobs and life sustaining income because of a bird. Economics should always be part of the equation, just like other considerations like impact to the environment, the eco system, etc, etc.

It's not that complicated. When liberals start speaking out about the murder of 1mm innocent and defenseless human beings every year or at a minimum, agree to ban late term abortions and support born alive protections, then we can talk about protecting a few squirrels.

 

[tomdalton22]

"The administration's finalized rule makes it easier to remove the endangered designation and allow for a cost analysis when considering protections of species."

"One of the changes will allow economic costs to be taken into account while determining whether a species warrants protection. Another will weaken the initial protections given to species deemed to be threatened, one step shy of being endangered."

So, what aren't you getting here? The act is to remove/make it easier for corporations to build/establish land in areas that were deemed essential for the recovery of endangered wildlife and not protecting animals that are closer to the designation.

I did not know it was that complicated? Why would this be enacted OTHER than to allow companies to build shit in areas where they aren't supposed to before?

I think it makes sense to take into consideration economic cost.

 

[Michchamp]

I think it makes sense to take into consideration economic cost.

we're destroying the planet. it's not going to be habitable within a century.

should we consider the economic cost of that, Mr. Bean Counter?

 

[tomdalton22]

we're destroying the planet. it's not going to be habitable within a century.

should we consider the economic cost of that, Mr. Bean Counter?

Lake Erie is a great place for a wind farm but they haven't put them up yet because the blades may kill birds. On the other hand, the wind should reduce global warming. I read that the wind farm would kill thousands of birds every year. I also read that cats kill about a billion birds a year.

well, at least the spotted owl will have a place to live...even if we don't

 

[Spartanmack]

we're destroying the planet. it's not going to be habitable within a century.

should we consider the economic cost of that, Mr. Bean Counter?

this is based on what, again chicken little? all those climate models that have gotten so much right (zero) for so long (since the beginning of climate models)?

 

[byco42]

This is likely to make it harder for human beings to get onto the endangered species list.

They (we) already are.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Lake Erie is a great place for a wind farm but they haven't put them up yet because the blades may kill birds. On the other hand, the wind should reduce global warming. I read that the wind farm would kill thousands of birds every year. I also read that cats kill about a billion birds a year.

well, at least the spotted owl will have a place to live...even if we don't

Why not just make bird hunting season on the coast of Lake Erie legal year round?

Then environmentalists won?t have to worry about renewable energy sources killing birds because it will be rednecks wearing MAGA hats doing it.doing it.

And labrador retrievers will get exercise swimming out into the lake to fetch the carcasses of the dead birds.

It?s a win all around.

 

[Spartanmack]

Lake Erie is a great place for a wind farm but they haven't put them up yet because the blades may kill birds. On the other hand, the wind should reduce global warming. I read that the wind farm would kill thousands of birds every year. I also read that cats kill about a billion birds a year.

well, at least the spotted owl will have a place to live...even if we don't

cats tend to kill low-value, plentiful birds. Also, cats gotta eat too and they don't like ho cakes. Wind farms kill the valuable birds, same with solar farms - those things burn them to ash in mid flight.

My friend is CFO of a wind farm project in Colorado, it's funded by some billionaire from LA so mc would be very conflicted (good for the environment but bad for animals, and a rich guy might make more money from it). He tells me they get fined $15k for every bird of certain types that gets killed by the windmills.

 

[tinselwolverine]

They already are.

I don?t think we?re on the list-but we should be.

 

[Spartanmack]

Why not just make bird hunting season on the coast of Lake Erie legal year round?

Then environmentalists won?t have to worry about renewable energy sources killing birds because it will be rednecks wearing MAGA hats doing it.doing it.

And labrador retrievers will get exercise swimming out into the lake to fetch the carcasses of the dead birds.

It?s a win all around.

will the birds ever catch on and just stay in Canada year round?

 

[tinselwolverine]

cats tend to kill low-value, plentiful birds. Also, cats gotta eat too and they don't like ho cakes. Wind farms kill the valuable birds, same with solar farms - those things burn them to ash in mid flight.

What would have been the value of this bird? And did anybody fine Randy Johnson 15 bucks?

And if so, was it MLB or the EPA, or was it another entity all together?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TDKS_6qWONo

 

[tinselwolverine]

will the birds ever catch on and just stay in Canada year round?

This goose sure as hell wish is that it did.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=10pO_nBK_Gs

EDIT: I didn?t refer to the goose as a ?he? because it?s probably a hen. Poor navigational skills among females is a cross species characteristic.

 

[byco42]

Willie Horton killed a pigeon with a foul ball once at Fenway Park. It fell right on home plate. I don't think he was fined.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Willie Horton killed a pigeon with a foul ball once at Fenway Park. It fell right on home plate. I don't think he was fined.

I?m guessing it was a high pop fly basically straight over the plate?

Did the ball end up going into the stands, hitting the net, or was there a put out made by the catcher or third baseman?