Trump Weakens Endangered Species Act

[byco42]

I?m guessing it was a high pop fly basically straight over the plate?

Did the ball end up going into the stands, hitting the net, or was there a put out made by the catcher or third baseman?

The ball was also "dead" when it hit the bird. So I suspect it fell to the ground near home plate.

 

[tinselwolverine]

The ball was also "dead" when it hit the bird. So I suspect it fell to the ground near home plate.

So the bird and the ball were both dead on impact?

Ironic.

 

[Michchamp]

So the bird and the ball were both dead on impact?

Ironic.

I chortled

 

[dubbsco]

Yeah, this is not about creating jobs. This is about making the rich, richer.

You must be in the minority about this, because this decision is being blasted by damn near everyone.

 

[biggunsbob]

Yeah this is just another handout to rich corporations. The Greedy swamp billionaires need more money. Yet another stupid policy by the corrupt Trump administration. The swamp needs to be fed. Trump is just a orange gizzard face crook. His administration may go down as the most corrupt administration ever. It will give Regans administration a run for its money.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Yeah this is just another handout to rich corporations. The Greedy swamp billionaires need more money. Yet another stupid policy by the corrupt Trump administration. The swamp needs to be fed. Trump is just a orange gizzard face crook. His administration may go down as the most corrupt administration ever. It will give Regans administration a run for its money.

I thought Trump and the current Republicans were the worst ever and it isn?t even close.

 

[Polish-Hammer]

Yeah this is just another handout to rich corporations. The Greedy swamp billionaires need more money. Yet another stupid policy by the corrupt Trump administration. The swamp needs to be fed. Trump is just a orange gizzard face crook. His administration may go down as the most corrupt administration ever. It will give Regans administration a run for its money.

As I previously mention, Trump is an idiot conman and the Yankees voted for him.


That being said, Bush starting a war to help his friends make money is infinitely more corrupt than anything Trump has done.


Or just take a look at the preferential treatment UAW received during the auto bailout during the 00s. I am 100% sure it has nothing to do with their perpetual lobbying efforts and donations to political candidates. >

US politicians are for sale and it wouldn't matter who is the president.

 

[byco42]

I agree with PH. And large corporations donate to both candidates like the hedge-betting cronies they are. There was a time when presidents did not actively campaign for office. It was considered "unseemly". "We the People" need to assert our sovereignty and vote en masse to see what this country's priorities really are. We don't really know at this point.

 

[Spartanmack]

Yeah, this is not about creating jobs. This is about making the rich, richer.

You must be in the minority about this, because this decision is being blasted by damn near everyone.

whoa, an actuon taken by the Trump administratuon being blasted by damn near everyone, where damn near everyone equals the mainstream and left wing media. maybe i should reconsider my position, abandon critical thinking, any level of scepticism and jump on board the band wagon with you. Consensus rules.

 

[dubbsco]

whoa, an actuon taken by the Trump administratuon being blasted by damn near everyone, where damn near everyone equals the mainstream and left wing media. maybe i should reconsider my position, abandon critical thinking, any level of scepticism and jump on board the band wagon with you. Consensus rules.

I mean basically it boils down to what you feel is more important: rules that will make it easier for companies to take land from animals and allow the rich to get richer. Or, saving what little land we have left for our wildlife.

"The Trump administration today announced sweeping changes to the Endangered Species Act, rolling back protections for animals in favor of corporations that want to build luxury condos, mine, drill for oil, harvest timber, or otherwise develop the land that animals live on."

It's all about the money, and I feel bad for the future generations that will look back and see some blip in the radar that felt it was important to restore coal mining and hasten the extinction of animals, rather than actually trying to care and not shit all over the land we stole.

 

[Michchamp]

I mean basically it boils down to what you feel is more important: rules that will make it easier for companies to take land from animals and allow the rich to get richer. Or, saving what little land we have left for our wildlife.

"The Trump administration today announced sweeping changes to the Endangered Species Act, rolling back protections for animals in favor of corporations that want to build luxury condos, mine, drill for oil, harvest timber, or otherwise develop the land that animals live on."

It's all about the money, and I feel bad for the future generations that will look back and see some blip in the radar that felt it was important to restore coal mining and hasten the extinction of animals, rather than actually trying to care and not shit all over the land we stole.

The miners and developers (and politicians they buy) never account for the actual economic cost of their actions.

It's been this way for decades, and the recipe is always the same:

1) come crashing in by buying local politicians

2) claim they're serious business people and no one else is accounting for costs and thinking about the bottom line here, OH, and they're creating jobs. their opposition is creating nothing.

2a) if the local population tries to physically resist, holds sit ins, ties themselves to trees, etc., hire armed thugs, often off duty law enforcement, to simply beat the shit out of them.

3) strip all the profit from the land, dump all the toxic waste nearby

4) pay themselves huge dividends, leave the LLCs or corporations they formed with all the losses

5) have those LLCs or corporations declare bankruptcy, leaving the local residents with the cost of environmental clean up, polluted water, soil, air pollution, stripped forests, barren land, etc.

5a) The cost to repair the environmental damage may very well exceed the profit extracted, but miners, loggers, "developers," etc. aren't in business to provide any benefits to society whatsoever.

6) REPEAT steps 1-5 somewhere else.

 

[dubbsco]

The irony is that this act saved the bald eagle, the murica symbol.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/animals/g28686852/endangered-species-act/

Flies in the face of that whole MAGA thingy.

 

[tinselwolverine]

The irony is that this act saved the bald eagle, the murica symbol.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/animals/g28686852/endangered-species-act/

Flies in the face of that whole MAGA thingy.

Nobody wants a bald eagle to fly into their face.

 

[Michchamp]

The irony is that this act saved the bald eagle, the murica symbol.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/animals/g28686852/endangered-species-act/

Flies in the face of that whole MAGA thingy.

these symbols never mean more than group identity to such people. they're more akin to gang colors than any sort of actual moral beliefs.

Evangelicals - by and large - flocked to Trump, even though they hated Bill Clinton for having affairs. The conduct of both men flies in the face of their Christian theology and morality, but try to tell them that. they go to evangelical churches to find other people like them (white & stupid) not because of the actual message of Christ. If they cared about that, they would've stayed with their original methodist, episcopal, baptist, or maybe even catholic churches.

 

[Spartanmack]

The irony is that this act saved the bald eagle, the murica symbol.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/animals/g28686852/endangered-species-act/

Flies in the face of that whole MAGA thingy.

nobody is denying the act has done some good, but that doesn't mean it's perfect and can't be made better. You just happen to believe NYT hyperbole that refuses to consider maybe the act goes too far and shouldn't apply equally in all cases, or in all places or with all species.

What coal mining practices that haven't already been outlawed (like mountain top removal) would save 1 or more species? Which are being threatened by coal mining? Do you know, or are you just throwing around mc's talking points and linking the evil coal industry to the endangered species act to validate your emotional response to this change?

 

[Spartanmack]

The miners and developers (and politicians they buy) never account for the actual economic cost of their actions.

It's been this way for decades, and the recipe is always the same:

1) come crashing in by buying local politicians

2) claim they're serious business people and no one else is accounting for costs and thinking about the bottom line here, OH, and they're creating jobs. their opposition is creating nothing.

2a) if the local population tries to physically resist, holds sit ins, ties themselves to trees, etc., hire armed thugs, often off duty law enforcement, to simply beat the shit out of them.

3) strip all the profit from the land, dump all the toxic waste nearby

4) pay themselves huge dividends, leave the LLCs or corporations they formed with all the losses

5) have those LLCs or corporations declare bankruptcy, leaving the local residents with the cost of environmental clean up, polluted water, soil, air pollution, stripped forests, barren land, etc.

5a) The cost to repair the environmental damage may very well exceed the profit extracted, but miners, loggers, "developers," etc. aren't in business to provide any benefits to society whatsoever.

6) REPEAT steps 1-5 somewhere else.

you realize things have changed a bit since the early 1900s, right?

 

[dubbsco]

nobody is denying the act has done some good, but that doesn't mean it's perfect and can't be made better. You just happen to believe NYT hyperbole that refuses to consider maybe the act goes too far and shouldn't apply equally in all cases, or in all places or with all species.

What coal mining practices that haven't already been outlawed (like mountain top removal) would save 1 or more species? Which are being threatened by coal mining? Do you know, or are you just throwing around mc's talking points and linking the evil coal industry to the endangered species act to validate your emotional response to this change?

Stop focusing on the coal. This is about the land. It's about building unnecessary things that are going to take more and more space away from animals and further drive species that were close to extinction even closer.

We have MORE than enough shit and buildings in this country. This is going to loosen the financial restrictions on companies that want to get richer and shrink valuable locations for the wildlife that keeps getting boxed into a corner.

 

[Michchamp]

you realize things have changed a bit since the early 1900s, right?

please enlighten me as to what about this you feel is out of date. be specific, and cite examples.

 

[tomdalton22]

Stop focusing on the coal. This is about the land. It's about building unnecessary things that are going to take more and more space away from animals and further drive species that were close to extinction even closer.

We have MORE than enough shit and buildings in this country. This is going to loosen the financial restrictions on companies that want to get richer and shrink valuable locations for the wildlife that keeps getting boxed into a corner.

my guess is more land is being used for new housing than commercial/industrial expansion. The population is continuing to grow. Maybe people should quit having babies.

 

[tinselwolverine]

my guess is more land is being used for new housing than commercial/industrial expansion. The population is continuing to grow. Maybe people should quit having babies.

Yeah...that would lead to human extinction in right around a century or so.

Kinda would make the EPA fairly irrelevant.