Uconn looks good this week

[Spartanmack]

See, even Sbee says there was only 2 shitty PI calls. Sometimes there actually is PI.

OK, some skulls are thicker than others. Let's try pounding this one in one more time. There were a total of 3 PI calls, 2 of them horrible calls. Both on separate drives, one on 3rd and long and one on 4th down and both resulted in nd TDs. Both acknowledged by the announcer. There was also a questionable defensive holding call on a drive where again, according to the announcer that works every nd home game, there was also a missed offensive PI call on 3rd down deep in nd territory. So 2 of 2 TD drives had horrible calls on key downs and the third scoring drive had a missed offensive PI call on 3rd down - all of them highlighted by NBC's nd announcer, not just biased MSU fans.

 

[TheVictors]

yeah, but Mayock is an idiot so .....

 

[Spartanmack]

yeah, but Mayock is an idiot so .....

Mayock is the best announcer since Dick Vermeil. Unfortunately he works for NBC.

 

[hungry]

You may think the 2 bad calls were on the last TD drive, but you're wrong. They weren't even in the same half. I watched the game twice last weekend and again this weekend (we had the week off so why not?). the two horrible calls were on separate drives in separate halves, one on 3rd down, the other on 4th down. Both drives went for a nd TD and NBC's nd announcer, Mike Mayock said both were bad calls. A third highly questionable, which was actually defensive holding and the no-call on offensive pass interference (again, highlighted by Mayock) happened on the FG drive. That's a bad PI call (noted by the announcer, not just my opinion) on both TD drives and a questionable call plus a no-call on the FG drive. In fact, Mayock only said one PI call was legit (the one on Dennard when he intercepted the ball). I don't agree, I thought it would have been a fine no-call but whatever, there was still a bad call on every scoring drive and every one was on 3rd or 4th down.

Really, all of this is opinion, even that of the announcer. Just because an announcer says it's a bad call, doesn't necessarily make it true. He just has an opinion and it's worth no more or no less than mine or yours. You can say all you want that my opinion is wrong, but that doesn't make it true. I disagree that there was a bad call on every scoring drive, so you're wrong!!!

 

[hungry]

OK, some skulls are thicker than others. Let's try pounding this one in one more time. There were a total of 3 PI calls, 2 of them horrible calls. Both on separate drives, one on 3rd and long and one on 4th down and both resulted in nd TDs. Both acknowledged by the announcer. There was also a questionable defensive holding call on a drive where again, according to the announcer that works every nd home game, there was also a missed offensive PI call on 3rd down deep in nd territory. So 2 of 2 TD drives had horrible calls on key downs and the third scoring drive had a missed offensive PI call on 3rd down - all of them highlighted by NBC's nd announcer, not just biased MSU fans.

I can see that you're referring to your skull. Must be hard as granite. There were 5 PI calls in the game, some were legit and some were not, in my opinion. It is your opinion that 2 of them were horrible, but again, that doesn't make it fact. It's just your opinion, which isn't worth shit and the announcer has an opinion, too. He isn't an expert or anything. He is just some guy paid money to talk about the game.

 

[hungry]

yeah, but Mayock is an idiot so .....

Only when he says something that they disagree with. If he says a call that went against MSU is a bad call, then he's a freakin' genius!!

 

[Spartanmack]

...I think there were 2 bad PI calls on their last td drive. That leaves 1 bad one the rest of the game. Most MSU fans acknowledge that 2 were legit. If you want to say that they got a PI call on every scoring drive, that's fine, but a couple of those calls were legit.

Really, all of this is opinion, even that of the announcer. Just because an announcer says it's a bad call, doesn't necessarily make it true. He just has an opinion and it's worth no more or no less than mine or yours. You can say all you want that my opinion is wrong, but that doesn't make it true. I disagree that there was a bad call on every scoring drive, so you're wrong!!!

Wow, change your story much? I'm not saying your opinion is wrong, I'm saying you are factually incorrect. The 2 most disputed PI calls were NOT on the same drive. In fact, the only drive with multiple PI calls was in the 4th quarter and it had the one call (on 2nd and 10) that most people thought was legit - the second PI on that drive was one of the 2 widely disputed and was on a subsequent 3rd and 10. The other widely disputed PI call was on 4th & 1 in the 2nd quarter.

So when confronted with the facts, it's now your contention that this all just "opinion" or is it your opinion that the worst of the bad calls (the one in the second quarter) was actually a good call and the call that is most widely believed to be a legitimate PI call is actually a bad call?

These are facts, not opinions: 2 of 4 PI calls are widely disputed by fans, announcers and sportwriters. They were on separate drives AND both extended drives that resulted in TDs. A third questionable PI call happened on NDs missed FG drive so nobody talks about it because it doesn't really matter. That leaves one call that most people don't have a problem with (personally, I think it should have been a no-call but again, whatever). On the FG drive there was a questionable defensive holding call and a missed offensive PI call - both on 3rd down and both in ND territory.

And just so we're clear - anyone's opinion is worth more than yours.

 

[byco42]

I think that this exchange just caused the NCAA to award the game to MSU. Along with the 1966 National Championship.

 

[Spartanmack]

I can see that you're referring to your skull. Must be hard as granite. There were 5 PI calls in the game, some were legit and some were not, in my opinion. It is your opinion that 2 of them were horrible, but again, that doesn't make it fact. It's just your opinion, which isn't worth shit and the announcer has an opinion, too. He isn't an expert or anything. He is just some guy paid money to talk about the game.

actually rockhead, there were 4 PI calls, not 5. and it's not just my opinion, it's also the opinion of the announcers, sportwriters and bunch of college football fans. The third most questionable call was defensive holding on the drive that resulting in a FG.

I do like how now that your original contention was so easily proven wrong, you're trying to change the argument into some nonsensical point that nobody is arguing or could ever prove. You even said yourself that there were 2 horrible calls.

 

[Spartanmack]

I think that this exchange just caused the NCAA to award the game to MSU. Along with the 1966 National Championship.

wouldn't that be sweet? Although, we already have a piece of the 66 championship - not the big one, but a piece.

 

[byco42]

wouldn't that be sweet? Although, we already have a piece of the 66 championship - not the big one, but a piece.

I think MSU should have won on merit and B/C ND stuck its head in its butt on the final drive. That is not the act of a champion of anything.

 

[hungry]

Wow, change your story much? I'm not saying your opinion is wrong, I'm saying you are factually incorrect. The 2 most disputed PI calls were NOT on the same drive. In fact, the only drive with multiple PI calls was in the 4th quarter and it had the one call (on 2nd and 10) that most people thought was legit - the second PI on that drive was one of the 2 widely disputed and was on a subsequent 3rd and 10. The other widely disputed PI call was on 4th & 1 in the 2nd quarter.

So when confronted with the facts, it's now your contention that this all just "opinion" or is it your opinion that the worst of the bad calls (the one in the second quarter) was actually a good call and the call that is most widely believed to be a legitimate PI call is actually a bad call?

These are facts, not opinions: 2 of 4 PI calls are widely disputed by fans, announcers and sportwriters. They were on separate drives AND both extended drives that resulted in TDs. A third questionable PI call happened on NDs missed FG drive so nobody talks about it because it doesn't really matter. That leaves one call that most people don't have a problem with (personally, I think it should have been a no-call but again, whatever). On the FG drive there was a questionable defensive holding call and a missed offensive PI call - both on 3rd down and both in ND territory.

And just so we're clear - anyone's opinion is worth more than yours.

Never changed my story at all, just pointing out that your facts aren't facts unless you are saying that it's a fact that people hold opinions, which isn't much of a fact at all, hardly relevant. Fact is, the only opinion that matters is the one from the refs, so keep crying.

Btw, not that I expect you to agree, but around here my opinion and word means much more to the regular posters, because they know I'm not a bullshitter and you're just a troll.

Oh and your personal attacks don't add any strength to your posts, positions, or opinions, just shows that you're a coward behind a keyboard.

 

[hungry]

actually rockhead, there were 4 PI calls, not 5. and it's not just my opinion, it's also the opinion of the announcers, sportwriters and bunch of college football fans. The third most questionable call was defensive holding on the drive that resulting in a FG.

I do like how now that your original contention was so easily proven wrong, you're trying to change the argument into some nonsensical point that nobody is arguing or could ever prove. You even said yourself that there were 2 horrible calls.

I said there were 3 bad calls, not horrible.

1 in the first half, 2 on the final drive. My buddy keeps talking about 5 PI calls. I guess he's wrong. I keep hearing that 3 out of 5 calls were bs, so I guess you're saying they're wrong. It truly is a matter of opinion of which were worse. I only watched the game once, though on real time.

You actually took the time to watch a loss 3 times? Sounds like you need some more hobbies.

 

[alonzomoseley]

Mayock is the best announcer since Dick Vermeil. Unfortunately he works for NBC.

Mayock is terrible, and only one of those calls against MSU was questionable. The rest were shown by slow-mo replay to be legit. It's in the dna of MSU d-backs to mug, grab, push receivers. Always has been. Dantonio has just pushed it beyond any semblance of reasonableness. Here's an idea. Teach D. Denard to cover a guy within the rules.

 

[Spartanmack]

Never changed my story at all, just pointing out that your facts aren't facts unless you are saying that it's a fact that people hold opinions, which isn't much of a fact at all, hardly relevant. Fact is, the only opinion that matters is the one from the refs, so keep crying.

Btw, not that I expect you to agree, but around here my opinion and word means much more to the regular posters, because they know I'm not a bullshitter and you're just a troll.

Oh and your personal attacks don't add any strength to your posts, positions, or opinions, just shows that you're a coward behind a keyboard.

Actually you did. First you mistakenly said there couldn't have been a bad call on every nd scoring drive. There was. Then you again said ther couldn't have been because 2 of the 3 bad calls, both PI happened on the same drive. That also was incorrect since there was only one nd scoring drive with 2 PI penalties, one of which nobody is really disputing. Then you said none of this matters because these are opinions, not facts. Well this is an online sports forum - it's all about opinions so your point is kinda stupid (an overriding theme with you). Of course, what ive said all along is true - it is a fact that many people are of the opinion that there was a bad PI call that sustained both nd TD drives. It's also a fact that many people think the defensive holding call that kept the nd FG drive going was also a bad call. Then you tried to turn this into a dispute over semantics - were the calls good, questionable, bad or horrible? These are where the opinions may vary (how bad is bad) but they don't change the facts.

How am I a troll? Have I ever come on here and said negative things about Michigan teams to bait their fans? I said to sbee we didnt get outplayed - we lost because dantonio is a bad coach and we had some really bad penalties called against us. What you then did is the definition of trolling. And what personal attacks? I'm merely stating more facts...

I watch most MSU games twice and this one a third time this weekend because my 2 favorite teams had the week off. Takes less than 45 minutes if you know how to work a DVR.

 

[Spartanmack]

Mayock is terrible, and only one of those calls against MSU was questionable. The rest were shown by slow-mo replay to be legit. It's in the dna of MSU d-backs to mug, grab, push receivers. Always has been. Dantonio has just pushed it beyond any semblance of reasonableness. Here's an idea. Teach D. Denard to cover a guy within the rules.

Mayock is the best color man simce Dick Vermeil and even nd fans say 2 of the PI calls were bad and the the holding call was iffy.

 

[TheVictors]

Mayock is the best announcer since Dick Vermeil....

what an odd comparison to make...


That's like saying Kid Rock is the best rocker since Peter Frampton, or something.


And Mayock is far less Irish jaded than was SC AD Hayden

 

[Spartanmack]

what an odd comparison to make...


That's like saying Kid Rock is the best rocker since Peter Frampton, or something.


And Mayock is far less Irish jaded than was SC AD Hayden

Why so odd? Its more like saying Obama is the worst president since Jimmy Carter. Has there been a really good color commentator since Vermeil? Maybe you prefer that hack Herbstreit or Chris spielman? Maybe if your boy Desmond could speak English they'd give him another shot - he might not suck at that too. Probably would but he might not.

 

[TheVictors]

Why so odd? Has there been a really good color commentator since Vermeil? Maybe you prefer that hack Herbstreit or Chris spielman? Maybe if your boy Desmond could speak English they'd give him a shot - he might not suck at that too.

I suppose I think of Vermeil as coaching Harold Carmichael and Ron Jaworski in Philly and spending a long time in KC ... almost winning, but often crying and that I hardly think of him as a "color man" to compare with Mayock.

The rest of your rant doesn't warrant a reply.

 

[Spartanmack]

I suppose I think of Vermeil as coaching Harold Carmichael and Ron Jaworski in Philly and spending a long time in KC ... almost winning, but often crying and that I hardly think of him as a "color man" to compare with Mayock.

The rest of your rant doesn't warrant a reply.

Don't forget Vince Papale! You're missing almost 2 decades of his career after philly. For about a decade and a half he worked in TV, then went to the Rams for a bit then KC. I don't really follow the nfl so I have no opinion of him as a coach but he was the best color commentator, in my opinion. And that wasn't a rant, just a better analogy and a list of announcers that suck - Spielman least of all but he's not polished enough to get beyond Espn2.