Unhinged Trump

[Spartanmack]

no, it's: #twopartiesthatagreeoneverythingbutabortion*

*Does not include Bernie, who AFAIK is the only Senator who doesn't take billionaire or corporate money, a distinction few Americans are intelligent enough to recognize the significance of.

no, it's just that the significance of it is swamped by the fact that he pushes amoral policies that have "a record of failure so blatant that only an 'intellectual' can ignore or evade it."

 

[tinselwolverine]

well, a Democrat president (Obama) has been credibly accused of doing exactly what Trump is being accused of without any real evidence.

Is that this?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xHmyKksPois

Now, if anyone actually believes that Trump wasn?t trying to get Zelensky to ?dig up dirt? on Biden for the 2020 election, I got a bridge in Brooklyn I?d like to show that guy.

But-that is not what Trump said.

Trump was talking about reopening what appeared to many to have been a legitimate investigation into Biden?s son?s employer that was stopped by Bidens own action-at least that is what Biden himself said:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UXA--dj2-CY

To me, that is a hell of a lot more factual evidence of quid pro quo and abuse of power than there is factual evidence against Trump from the phone call.

Again-my opinion is Trump was probably surreptitiously trying do ?dig up dirt? on Biden to tarnish him as a presidential candidate - but that?s just my opinion; it isn?t what Trump said and my opinion doesn?t make it a fact, and nobody else?s does either.

The fact is Trump recommended-or requested-the reopening of what could have been a legitimate investigation that Biden, again, apparently had shut down, likely for personal reasons, not for the good of the United States or our relationships with the Ukraine.

 

[Spartanmack]

Is that this?


Now, if anyone actually believes that Trump wasn?t trying to get Zelensky to ?dig up dirt? on Biden for the 2020 election, I got a bridge in Brooklyn I?d like to show that guy.

But-that is not what Trump said.

Trump was talking about reopening what appeared to many to have been a legitimate investigation into Biden?s son?s employer that was stopped by Bidens own action-at least that is what Biden himself said:


To me, that is a hell of a lot more factual evidence of quid pro quo and abuse of power than there is factual evidence against Trump from the phone call.

Again-my opinion is Trump was probably surreptitiously trying do ?dig up dirt? on Biden to tarnish him as a presidential candidate - but that?s just my opinion; it isn?t what Trump said and my opinion doesn?t make it a fact, and nobody else?s does either.

The fact is Trump recommended-or requested-the reopening of what could have been a legitimate investigation that Biden, again, apparently had shut down, likely for personal reasons, not for the good of the United States or our relationships with the Ukraine.

Not sure, can't access youtube links here - if it's about Obama getting the Ukraine to do oppo research on Trump and having or letting Biden threaten to withhold aid if the investigator investigating the company his son was being paid by, yes this is that. I know you know this but I feel it has to be said (or typed). The fact that he potentially benefits from a foreign government investigating a US government official for credible corruption allegations is not a reason not to ask for the investigation. I understand people questioning his motives, they should but they should also want to know what happened and they don't.

 

[Mitchrapp]

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Somehow I find this very funny.

 

[tigermud]

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trump-china-should-investigate-biden

 

[tinselwolverine]

Is that this?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xHmyKksPois

Now, if anyone actually believes that Trump wasn?t trying to get Zelensky to ?dig up dirt? on Biden for the 2020 election, I got a bridge in Brooklyn I?d like to show that guy.

But-that is not what Trump said.

Trump was talking about reopening what appeared to many to have been a legitimate investigation into Biden?s son?s employer that was stopped by Bidens own action-at least that is what Biden himself said:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UXA--dj2-CY

To me, that is a hell of a lot more factual evidence of quid pro quo and abuse of power than there is factual evidence against Trump from the phone call.

Again-my opinion is Trump was probably surreptitiously trying do ?dig up dirt? on Biden to tarnish him as a presidential candidate - but that?s just my opinion; it isn?t what Trump said and my opinion doesn?t make it a fact, and nobody else?s does either.

The fact is Trump recommended-or requested-the reopening of what could have been a legitimate investigation that Biden, again, apparently had shut down, likely for personal reasons, not for the good of the United States or our relationships with the Ukraine.

When you see the the clip, you?ll notice that at the end Biden puts his hands on a dude while making a point.

I have to defend Joe Biden here about something.

He had apologized for touching some women inappropriately and even men inappropriately and I heard some conservative pundits saying things like ?when did he ever touch another man inappropriately??

Over the years, I?ve seen Joe Biden touch dudes and I think to myself ?yeah, it ain?t no big deal but I would prefer not having a dude I don?t know very well touch me, really at all, except for a handshake or a fist bump.?

So there?s that.

Full disclosure, I think there might be a dude or two whom I?ve hugged that I know originally from this board... but we know each other, and we have a certain intimacy.

We?re sick fans of teams from Michigan; have been all our lives and communicate with each other almost every day.

 

[byco42]

Shake my hand. Don’t touch me; don’t hug me, don’t stand too close to me. It’s just my temperament, nothing personal. As for Hoagie Joe, the guy needs prayers and intercession. He’s too much of the world and not enough about the Kingdom.

 

[Michchamp]

Mitt Romney knifes Trump now over his attempt to hold up US aid to Ukraine until they investigate his political enemies... payback is a bitch I guess.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Mitt Romney knifes Trump now over his attempt to hold up US aid to Ukraine until they investigate his political enemies... payback is a bitch I guess.

When the story first broke he called the situation ?troubling.?

I didn?t hear him repeat the allegations; I just heard him say the situation was troubling.

Has there been anything more since then?

EDIT: Also, I read through the (not a) transcript a number of times. There is nothing about holding up US aid to Ukraine until Ukraine investigates Trump?s political enemies.

The whistleblower came up with that interpretive verbiage, of a conversation he or she had actually not been privy to, in the complaint.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J-p-ACsTHmE

Romney was making a bit of a parody on this famous line, attributed it to Daniel Patrick Moynihan.

 

[Michchamp]

[/INDENT]
...And then Trump just got carried away and threatened to withhold aid unless they investigated one of his primary political opponents, I guess?




But have you, actually, yourself, read the (not a) transcript?

OH CRAP! I EDITED INSTEAD OF QUOTING!

Sorry.

Tinsel.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Michamp I?m sorry I fucked up your joke about Rick Perry.

Thinking it over, it just continues to come back to me that regardless of how much it appears that Trump was indeed trying to ?dig up dirt? on Biden, it nevertheless seems based on everything I know that there is not evidence of a crime that could be presented in a court of law, in a parallel universe where a sitting president could indeed be tried for a crime.

 

[tinselwolverine]

In other news, Trump should remember to wish his boss a happy birthday today.

#2 on this list.

 

[Spartanmack]

Is that this?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xHmyKksPois

finally got around to viewing ur video and no, that's not it but thats a good one ialmost forgot about. I was referring to this story, which apparently is well known front page stuff in Ukraine but isnt covered by anyone here...

https://www.dailywire.com/news/bomb...to-boost-hillary-by-harming-trump-report-says

 

[Spartanmack]

In other news, Trump should remember to wish his boss a happy birthday today.

#2 on this list.

mc is probably spilling a sip of his 40 for #4.