Victor Catching Soon?

[motownwebguy]

Fantastic, amazing job by Victor those two games. Still showing he can hang with the big catcher-dogs at his age and really without use at the catchers role for almost two years now.

What an athlete he is.... despite his slow legs.

 

[Rebbiv]

I'm fine with Pena catching Fister, Sanchez and JV. Their numbers are pretty close between Pena and Avila catching. Max does very well with Avila this year, but still not too bad with Pena. Alex should ALWAYS catch Rick though. Night and day difference on his splits with Avila vs Pena/Holaday. I'm fine with the righty/lefty platoon except when Rick pitches.

Avila+Martinez 51-24 .680 WPCT 3.18 ERA 3.35 R/G 1.12 WHIP .225 OPP BAVG .618 OPP OPS

Pena+Holaday 36-29 .554 WPCT 3.88 ERA 4.19 R/G 1.36 WHIP .266 OPP BAVG .724 OP OPS



Let's thow Porcello out of the equation

Avila+Martinez 40-19 .678 WPCT 3.17 ERA 3.40 R/G 1.12 WHIP .222 OPP BAVG .614 OPP OPS

Pena+Holaday 34-23 .596 WPCT 3.60 ERA 4.03 R/G 1.33 WHIP .258 OPP BAVG .711 OPP OPS

Not sure where the close numbers are. ERA is much lower (luck?), but all the other peripheral stats are somewhat the same.

 

[Mitchrapp]

One thing that is left out: Who were we playing when Avila was catching compared to the others. Might not change but its not quite as open ended as it might seem..

 

[gotime909]

Avila+Martinez 51-24 .680 WPCT 3.18 ERA 3.35 R/G 1.12 WHIP .225 OPP BAVG .618 OPP OPS

Pena+Holaday 36-29 .554 WPCT 3.88 ERA 4.19 R/G 1.36 WHIP .266 OPP BAVG .724 OP OPS



Let's thow Porcello out of the equation

Avila+Martinez 40-19 .678 WPCT 3.17 ERA 3.40 R/G 1.12 WHIP .222 OPP BAVG .614 OPP OPS

Pena+Holaday 34-23 .596 WPCT 3.60 ERA 4.03 R/G 1.33 WHIP .258 OPP BAVG .711 OPP OPS

Not sure where the close numbers are. ERA is much lower (luck?), but all the other peripheral stats are somewhat the same.

What does ANY of this post have to do with Avila vs Pena?

 

[kalinecountry]

Looks like Avila and Martinez call a better game? along with the pitcher are more comfortable with these two.....history between them as pitcher/catcher.

 

[gotime909]

Looks like Avila and Martinez call a better game? along with the pitcher are more comfortable with these two.....history between them as pitcher/catcher.

I think the history is the case with Rick and Avila, but with JV, Anibal and Doug it really isn't that big of a difference. SO/BB ratio is higher with all 3 when Pena catches. Again, I'm not saying that Pena is amazing but he's been a great backup catcher for us this year. Especially since our "starter" can't stay healthy. Pena's also been better blocking pitches and throwing out runners.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I agree, about Pena. He might not walk much but his strike out totals are very good and he's staying above .300. I'll take that every day, all day, for a backup.

 

[Rebbiv]

I think the history is the case with Rick and Avila, but with JV, Anibal and Doug it really isn't that big of a difference. SO/BB ratio is higher with all 3 when Pena catches. Again, I'm not saying that Pena is amazing but he's been a great backup catcher for us this year. Especially since our "starter" can't stay healthy. Pena's also been better blocking pitches and throwing out runners.

HR/PA Ratios are higher with Pena. And it isn't just with the starters, relievers also are affected by who catches. There is significant difference and I am not going to keep giving the data. Do your own research. Stop isolating to 3 or 4 pitchers that back up your argument. Use the entire staff. .222 OPP BAVG versus .258 OPP BAVG without Porcello is significant.

 

[gotime909]

HR/PA Ratios are higher with Pena. And it isn't just with the starters, relievers also are affected by who catches. There is significant difference and I am not going to keep giving the data. Do your own research. Stop isolating to 3 or 4 pitchers that back up your argument. Use the entire staff. .222 OPP BAVG versus .258 OPP BAVG without Porcello is significant.

Listen guy, I've seen the stats. I'm only talking about 3 guys because THAT was the base of my original post. I said I'm fine with the righty/lefty platoon and Avila always catching Rick no matter what and I'd add Max to that as well. So what does that come out to? Once maybe twice a week for Pena?

Sanchez w/

Avila-16 gm- 2.54era .226ba .598ops 3.16so/bb
Pena- 5 gm- 2.41era .224ba .610ops 5.15so/bb

JV w/

Avila-13 gm- 3.32era .252ba .677ops 2.52so/bb
Pena-11 gm- 3.61era .255ba .720ops 3.08so/bb

Fister w/

Avila-13 gm- 3.77era .249ba .652ops 3.75so/bb
Pena-12 gm- 3.62era .301ba .740ops 4.07so/bb

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Max w/

Avila-15 gm- 2.63era .171ba .496ops 5.09so/bb
Pena-12 gm- 2.85era .213ba .624ops 4.20so/bb

Porcello w/

Avila-16 gm- 3.21era .243ba .643ops 3.94so/bb
Pena- 4 gm- 6.64era .321ba .833ops 2.86so/bb

You really don't like when people play stats back at you, do you? Next time make sure you read and understand the whole post before breaking out your red marker.

 

[gotime909]

Also, this whole thing is moot because Avila CAN'T STAY HEALTHY!!!!

 

[Rebbiv]

Listen guy, I've seen the stats. I'm only talking about 3 guys because THAT was the base of my original post. I said I'm fine with the righty/lefty platoon and Avila always catching Rick no matter what and I'd add Max to that as well. So what does that come out to? Once maybe twice a week for Pena?

Sanchez w/

Avila-16 gm- 2.54era .226ba .598ops 3.16so/bb
Pena- 5 gm- 2.41era .224ba .610ops 5.15so/bb

JV w/

Avila-13 gm- 3.32era .252ba .677ops 2.52so/bb
Pena-11 gm- 3.61era .255ba .720ops 3.08so/bb

Fister w/

Avila-13 gm- 3.77era .249ba .652ops 3.75so/bb
Pena-12 gm- 3.62era .301ba .740ops 4.07so/bb

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Max w/

Avila-15 gm- 2.63era .171ba .496ops 5.09so/bb
Pena-12 gm- 2.85era .213ba .624ops 4.20so/bb

Porcello w/

Avila-16 gm- 3.21era .243ba .643ops 3.94so/bb
Pena- 4 gm- 6.64era .321ba .833ops 2.86so/bb

You really don't like when people play stats back at you, do you? Next time make sure you read and understand the whole post before breaking out your red marker.

Are you pulling Pena at the same time when the starter leaves the game?

With All Relievers

Avila 175.6 IP 3.59 ERA 1.18 WHIP .220 OPP BAVG .641 OPP OPS 2.83 SO/BB

Pena 153.3 IP 3.93 ERA 1.40 WHIP .259 OPP BAVG .713 OPP OPS 2.26 SO/BB


With All Starters

Avila 49-24 .671 WPCT 462.6 IP 3.05 ERA 1.09 WHIP .227 OPP BAVG .612 OPP OPS 3.60 SO/BB

Pena 23-25 .479 WPCT 301.6 IP 3.55 ERA 1.29 WHIP .260 OPP BAVG .717 OPP OPS 3.55 SO/BB


Consistently, pitchers' WHIP, OPP BAVG and OPP OPS are higher with Pena. And, at least with starters, pitchers with Pena give up more HRs and yet, to his credit, pitchers tend to have significantly more GIDP with Pena catching.

I never said Pena was bad. Just that as back ups go, he is just the run of the mill. I believe for the most part, veteran pitchers are not effected by who catches them. I do believe they effect strike zone calling by the umpire and whether or not they are setting up too early. Pena was obtained for his pitch frame abilities, which as far as I am concerned, is not there.