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We officially don't torture anymore. Again.

Michchamp

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"Today in Geneva, the United States began its periodic presentation to the Committee Against Torture, a body of independent experts that monitors implementation of the Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment by States that are party to it. The Administration embraces the universal values enshrined in the Convention Against Torture?which the United States signed in 1988 and ratified in 1994?and affirms the U.S. government?s deep commitment to meeting its obligations under the Convention."
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Despite concerns from some civil libertarians that the statements today still allowed for some exclusions ? such as U.S. government sites in other countries ? Yale Law Professor Harold Hongju Koh praised the move.


Koh, fairly fresh off his stint as legal adviser to the State Department, went public last week with a plea to Obama to unequivocally say ?yes? to the torture ban.


He issued the following statement to the Intercept today:
When asked if the torture treaty applies without exception, the Bush Administration answered ?no.? The Obama Administration said, ?There should be no doubt: the U.S. affirms that torture and cruel inhuman and degrading treatment are prohibited at all times and in all places and we remain resolute in our adherence to these prohibitions.? That unequivocal statement explicitly changed the USG?s official position, and took a significant step forward in recognizing application of the treaty extraterritorially and in armed conflict. In so doing, they placed critical distance between them and the Bush administration.

It always seemed insane to me that, in the 21st century, in a nation that is supposed to be some shining beacon of human progress, governed by principles learned through the previous 3,000 or so years of human history, there was even a debate about whether we should torture people, let alone we actually DID for some 8 odd years. Thank fuck we've apparently moved past that.
 
Dude, there's more important things to talk about. We need to stop Obamacare, kill all muslims, get GOD back in our schools, boot all illegals back to Mexico, and stop the courts from skirting the people by legalizing same sex marriage!

Who cares about how we treat prisoners? They're nasty creatures!
 
Dude, there's more important things to talk about. We need to stop Obamacare, kill all muslims, get GOD back in our schools, boot all illegals back to Mexico, and stop the courts from skirting the people by legalizing same sex marriage!

Who cares about how we treat prisoners? They're nasty creatures!
i know. goddamn republicans...
 
Because all those terrorists should be coddled and sent to regular prison so they can get degrees. Hopefully a terrorist doesn't harm anyone you know..maybe you'd feel different.
 
So we can't torture adults, and, you know, that's just wonderful, but we can torture babies in the womb legally. And that debate, fantastically, rages on. Since we are talking about "shining beacons of human progress" here.
 
So this is the one thing we're supposed to believe the Obama administration on? We don't torture people anymore? Does anyone believe it? I definitely do not.
 
So this is the one thing we're supposed to believe the Obama administration on? We don't torture people anymore? Does anyone believe it? I definitely do not.

That's okay, because you don't matter.
 
We should all agree on torture. And don't act like Dems weren't in on it. They were in on briefings that should have been a safeguard against it. Pelosi claimed the CIA lied to her and then what? Nothing. Spin and accusations until the press moved on, but nobody got in trouble for lying to Pelosi. Why not?
 
So we can't torture adults, and, you know, that's just wonderful, but we can torture babies in the womb legally. And that debate, fantastically, rages on. Since we are talking about "shining beacons of human progress" here.

This is silly.
 
We should all agree on torture. And don't act like Dems weren't in on it. They were in on briefings that should have been a safeguard against it. Pelosi claimed the CIA lied to her and then what? Nothing. Spin and accusations until the press moved on, but nobody got in trouble for lying to Pelosi. Why not?

Because they proved that she was lying when she said she was lied to and then the story just died because nobody cares if a Dem rep lies about the CIA lying to her.
 
Translation: you're 100% correct byco and I have no response that doesn't sound ridiculous even to me so I'll just dismiss your statement offhand.

No, it's silly. So because we allow people the option to legally have an abortion, we should also torture people? That doesn't make sense.
 
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