Wide spread election fraud 2020

[Michchamp]

No, I think the last month is completely different from what happened the last 4 years. It's apples and salmon. I think the last 4 years was a completely made up farce whereas this year people are finally identifying and speaking up about problems I think have gone on for years in places like Detroit.

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It would be better if black people couldn't vote, right?

 

[Spartanmack]

Amazing how 8 people pled guilty or were convicted based on a sham.

Amazing how little people know about those 8 convictions and think wow, there really is something to this Russia investigation thing...

Paul Manafort - convicted of tax fraud, wire fraud and unregistered foreign lobbying (for Ukraine, not Russia) - from before he began working for Trump and had nothing to do with the purpose of the investigation into the Trump campaign.

George Papadopolous - lied under oath to the FBI, nothing to do with Russian interference, no Russian connection to the campaign.

Michael Flynn - framed by the FBI and indicted for a process crime which had nothing to with collusion or Russian interference. He was indicted for unregistered foreign lobbying with the Turkish gov't because he hadn't filled out his paperwork properly as the incoming administration's National Security Advisor. It was 100% a political hit job apparently based on Biden's advice to Obama during the famous "by the book" meeting.

Michael Cohen - lied at least 15 times under oath to Congress. Also not indicted for Russian collusion or interference. His indictments were for taxi medallion fraud, tax fraud and wire fraud for his personal dealing unrelated Russian interference in any way.

Greg Craig - OBAMA's White House counsel indicted for unregistered foreign lobbying for laundering a $4mm wire transfer linked to the Manafort case - again, nothing to do with Trump or Russian collusion/interference in the election.

The rest are all people tied to the Manafort case which did NOT involve any collusion with the Trump campaign for the 2016 election. Unless there have been any updates we haven't heard about linking the Trump campaign to Russian operatives (LOL), these convictions were all for personal business prior to or unrelated to Trump and not one had anything to do with the premise of the investigation which was, in case you forgot, the Trump campaign allegedly colluding with Russia.

 

[Spartanmack]

It would be better if black people couldn't vote, right?

it would be better if we could have faith that our elections were secure and legitimate. It would also be better if your position wasn't so weak you had to resort to accusations of racism rather than addressing substantive arguments. It would also be better and less disappointing if you weren't so racist.

 

[tigermud]

Don't get tiger started on Michael "We need to have a coup" Flynn's innocence.

Flynn is on Dobbs right now. my opinion on Flynn is well known and consistent. I have never defend Stone and others. People need to be held accountable for what they did to Flynn period. I won't hold my breath though

 

[tigermud]

It would be better if black people couldn't vote, right?

Dem playbook item #5 when losing an argument resort to racism

 

[Gulo Blue]

Amazing how little people know about those 8 convictions and think wow, there really is something to this Russia investigation thing...

Paul Manafort - convicted of tax fraud, wire fraud and unregistered foreign lobbying (for Ukraine, not Russia) - from before he began working for Trump and had nothing to do with the purpose of the investigation into the Trump campaign.

George Papadopolous - lied under oath to the FBI, nothing to do with Russian interference, no Russian connection to the campaign.

Michael Flynn - framed by the FBI and indicted for a process crime which had nothing to with collusion or Russian interference. He was indicted for unregistered foreign lobbying with the Turkish gov't because he hadn't filled out his paperwork properly as the incoming administration's National Security Advisor. It was 100% a political hit job apparently based on Biden's advice to Obama during the famous "by the book" meeting.

Michael Cohen - lied at least 15 times under oath to Congress. Also not indicted for Russian collusion or interference. His indictments were for taxi medallion fraud, tax fraud and wire fraud for his personal dealing unrelated Russian interference in any way.

Greg Craig - OBAMA's White House counsel indicted for unregistered foreign lobbying for laundering a $4mm wire transfer linked to the Manafort case - again, nothing to do with Trump or Russian collusion/interference in the election.

The rest are all people tied to the Manafort case which did NOT involve any collusion with the Trump campaign for the 2016 election. Unless there have been any updates we haven't heard about linking the Trump campaign to Russian operatives (LOL), these convictions were all for personal business prior to or unrelated to Trump and not one had anything to do with the premise of the investigation which was, in case you forgot, the Trump campaign allegedly colluding with Russia.

Pretty sure I said at the time, on this board, that Trump was brilliant to rebrand the investigation, which was about Russian interference and obstruction of justice, as being about Russian collusion.

 

[sggatecl]

Flynn is on Dobbs right now. my opinion on Flynn is well known and consistent. I have never defend Stone and others. People need to be held accountable for what they did to Flynn period. I won't hold my breath though

You've been very consistent. I won't deny that at all.

 

[sggatecl]

No, I think the last month is completely different from what happened the last 4 years. It's apples and salmon. I think the last 4 years was a completely made up farce.

Of course you do. Dems bad, GOP good. This will come as a surprise to nobody. If you think Trump's only transgressions are 'he's a meanie on Twitter' then I expect nothing less. Just more partisan bullshit.

 

[Spartanmack]

sorry for making fun of your girlfriend

 

[Spartanmack]

Of course you do. Dems bad, GOP good. This will come as a surprise to nobody. If you think Trump's only transgressions are 'he's a meanie on Twitter' then I expect nothing less. Just more partisan bullshit.

It's actually not partisan and instead based on evidence, this differences are quite clear. Also, it's not that I think his only transgressions are that he's mean on twitter, I was sarcastically mocking the fact that most Biden voters have no idea what a shady scumbag he is and they know even less about what Trump has accomplished as President, focussing mostly on his personality and the overwhelmingly misleading coverage of his presidency.

 

[Spartanmack]

Pretty sure I said at the time, on this board, that Trump was brilliant to rebrand the investigation, which was about Russian interference and obstruction of justice, as being about Russian collusion.

 

[Gulo Blue]

It's weird what you decide is splitting hairs. If lying to Congress is what someone is guilty of, then the difference between Russian collusion and obstruction of justice is not splitting hairs.

 

[Spartanmack]

It's weird what you decide is splitting hairs. If lying to Congress is what someone is guilty of, then the difference between Russian collusion and obstruction of justice is not splitting hairs.

They weren?t guilty of lying about Russian collusion or even Russian interference. They were found guilty and charged with crimes unrelated to the initial purpose of the illegal investigation. Also, it?s not correct that Trump ?rebranded? the investigation to being about collusion. That was the primary focus of the investigation and the coverage of the investigation. It?s was Schiff focused on and lied about repeatedly at the impeachment hearings - and he is still pushing that lie today. In fact it?s all he focuses on - he even tried to say the likely future president?s crackhead son?s laptop fiasco was a desperate Russian disinformation effort to help the Trump campaign

 

[Michchamp]

glad you got a little giggle out of that, silly willy

 

[Gulo Blue]

the likely future president?s crackhead son?s laptop fiasco

I hadn't thought about that for a while - what ever happened to that? Guess it's like Mexico paying for the wall or the migrant caravan apocalypse or the virus just disappearing in summer or after the election or the stock market crashing if Biden wins...

 

[tigermud]

https://video.parler.com/OA/V9/OAV95HKgJthk_small.mp4

 

[sggatecl]

https://video.parler.com/OA/V9/OAV95HKgJthk_small.mp4

She's deleted all social media...but she posted on Facebook that morning. Ok.

"Democrats like to ruin your lives just like they do to Trump."

Easy on your victim complex there Karen.

 

[sggatecl]

Why did the Trump administration do nothing to protect our election from this massive, widespread voter fraud that they are claiming? If what they are saying is true, wouldn't that mean that Trump is dangerously incompetent and unqualified because he did nothing to address the threat? Voter fraud on the scale they are alleging would be one of the greatest attacks ever perpetrated on the United States, yet it happened under Trump's watch. Even if their obviously batshit election conspiracy theories were correct, wouldn't it be a damning indictment on Trump's ability to run the country and keep us safe?

 

[Spartanmack]

I hadn't thought about that for a while - what ever happened to that? Guess it's like Mexico paying for the wall or the migrant caravan apocalypse or the virus just disappearing in summer or after the election or the stock market crashing if Biden wins...

It’s more like the handful of stories the media downplayed, actively suppressed or just ignored that helped get their guy elected. Besides, I don’t recall anyone saying the stock market would collapse if Biden got elected.

Here’s a story about recordings of Jeff Zucker and senior CNN staff talking about burying the Hunter Biden story. Just more of the zero evidence of medi bias to go along with the zero evidence of election fraud.

 

[tigermud]

She's deleted all social media...but she posted on Facebook that morning. Ok.

"Democrats like to ruin your lives just like they do to Trump."

Easy on your victim complex there Karen.

I think her name is little miss sass not Karen
https://youtu.be/xxiVHxNFIeI