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Wide spread election fraud 2020

A calling card for authoritarian bullshit propaganda (maybe I saw this in that book MC mentioned) is to try to paint the 'enemy' as a clever, all-powerful force that must be stopped and at the same time weak and inferior. Not unlike these stupid criminals that completely lack strategy while at the same time being criminal masterminds rigging elections for decades.
 
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Investigate everything.

That's okay with me, and I would suspect most people. The issue is not with these things being investigated, but that before investigations even happen we get people (you included) that start saying there has been massive fraud, election stolen, etc. we get lawsuits that offer up 0 discovery evidence, and then get tossed out, and the losing side claims the judges are in on it (many times it had been republican judges or judge panels) and it a giant conspiracy.

BTW, every recount/audit that has happened had upheld the original results.

So yeah, investigate everything, but it will change nothing, especially the reaction from the losing team, nothing short of a full reversal will satisfy them.
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Has anyone actually claimed this? The only place I?ve heard/read that was here on this thread, from me. That was a joke.
 
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Investigate everything.

That's okay with me, and I would suspect most people. The issue is not with these things being investigated, but that before investigations even happen we get people (you included) that start saying there has been massive fraud, election stolen, etc. we get lawsuits that offer up 0 discovery evidence, and then get tossed out, and the losing side claims the judges are in on it (many times it had been republican judges or judge panels) and it a giant conspiracy.

BTW, every recount/audit that has happened had upheld the original results.

So yeah, investigate everything, but it will change nothing, especially the reaction from the losing team, nothing short of a full reversal will satisfy them.
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No, not me included. I haven't said there has been massive fraud in fact, I clearly stated I don't know. What I have said is it's complete bullshit to say there is no evidence when there clearly is, as well as opportunity. Like in Wayne County where according to County election board reports not a single AV ballot from Detroit is matched against registered voter data while 100% of the AV ballots from all precincts outside Detroit are. Add that to all the other reported shenanigans and something seems amiss. but these things never get investigated. Judges dismissing cases doesn't make any of that evidence go away, or render it meaningless. But after every election when things like this are pointed out, your side consistently says there's only baseless allegations and no evidence of voter fraud

BTW, recounts are just that - recounts. In a recount they're not looking for fraud or scrutinizing ballots for things like signatures, etc. Also, it's not true that all the original results were upheld. In the few counties in Georgia where they did perform audits, Biden's lead dwindled.
 
tinselwolverine said:
Has anyone actually claimed this? The only place I?ve heard/read that was here on this thread, from me. That was a joke.
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Yeah, I believe there was something on OAN that I saw a link to that was claiming this was all the work of deep state globalists/swamp creatures that went as high as the SC, I'll see if I can find the link in my browser history.
 
Reading books about propaganda recommended by the boards biggest pusher of propaganda could be part of the problem. I don't think anyone has ever said these people were clever but to deny they dominate local politics and are powerful enough to get away with shady practices, is ridiculous. Especially given the history of many of these jurisdictions. For example Detroit, one of the most notoriously corrupt cities in the country, dominated by a single party for decades wouldn't dare compromise the sanctity of an election. It's the one aspect of government these otherwise unscrupulous officials would leave uncorrupted because otherwise, the foundation of democracy crumbles, right?

Also, the idea that they would be this well oiled machine that operates with military precision and therefore they wouldn't make sloppy mistakes (despite loads of evidence to the contrary) is a pretty stupid rationalization for why what seems shady probably isn't shady. It's like saying you didn't like Goodfellas because everyone knows the mafia operates like it does in The Godfather. There's motive, opportunity as well as the indication/evidence that something may not be quite right. But if MC's book says that's just propaganda, then it must be - no need to bother with the evidence.
 
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Yeah, I believe there was something on OAN that I saw a link to that was claiming this was all the work of deep state globalists/swamp creatures that went as high as the SC, I'll see if I can find the link in my browser history.
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Man, sounds like the deep state goes up all the way to whoever selected the recent additions to the SC. I hope Trump can figure out who that is while there's still time to do something about it.
 
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Yeah, I believe there was something on OAN that I saw a link to that was claiming this was all the work of deep state globalists/swamp creatures that went as high as the SC, I'll see if I can find the link in my browser history.
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Oh.

The only place I’ve ever heard of OAN is also here on this board.

It’s also the only place I had ever heard of the Proud Boys, until J’Biden brought them to an amount of prominence recently.
 
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Do I think this is the perfect way to spell it because of Harris or Rudolph?
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Both probably.

Harris says it that way and of course the comedienne takes it and runs with it in her impersonation.

That?s where I got it from.
 
tinselwolverine said:
Oh.

The only place I?ve ever heard of OAN is also here on this board.

It?s also the only place I had ever heard of the Proud Boys, until J?Biden brought them to an amount of prominence recently.
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The link I have in browser history was from the 17th and it's 404 error now.:shrug:
 
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No, not me included. I haven't said there has been massive fraud in fact, I clearly stated I don't know. What I have said is it's complete bullshit to say there is no evidence when there clearly is, as well as opportunity. Like in Wayne County where according to County election board reports not a single AV ballot from Detroit is matched against registered voter data while 100% of the AV ballots from all precincts outside Detroit are. Add that to all the other reported shenanigans and something seems amiss. but these things never get investigated. Judges dismissing cases doesn't make any of that evidence go away, or render it meaningless. But after every election when things like this are pointed out, your side consistently says there's only baseless allegations and no evidence of voter fraud

BTW, recounts are just that - recounts. In a recount they're not looking for fraud or scrutinizing ballots for things like signatures, etc. Also, it's not true that all the original results were upheld. In the few counties in Georgia where they did perform audits, Biden's lead dwindled.
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My apologies then, I guess I assumed when you said there was plenty of evidence of massive voter fraud, you were saying you believed there actually was massive voter fraud.

Silly of me to jump to that conclusion.
 
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My apologies then, I guess I assumed when you said there was plenty of evidence of massive voter fraud, you were saying you believed there actually was massive voter fraud.

Silly of me to jump to that conclusion.
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I'm not saying there is fraud, I'm saying there is not not clear evidence of fraud is a perfectly clear and certainly not nit picky distinction.
 
tinselwolverine said:
Both probably.

Harris says it that way and of course the comedienne takes it and runs with it in her impersonation.

That?s where I got it from.
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Very sneaky subliminal way to make you think he will work on your behalf. He's not M'Biden, he's J'Biden.
 
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My apologies then, I guess I assumed when you said there was plenty of evidence of massive voter fraud, you were saying you believed there actually was massive voter fraud.

Silly of me to jump to that conclusion.
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So in order to want something investigated based on evidence, you first have to be convinced that it actually happened? In this case, you can't see the risk based on evidence and want the process investigated to ensure the validity and integrity of this and future elections unless you're certain large scale voter fraud actually happened. And making this distinction, according to the board's top pedantic nit picker, is "nit picking".

Makes sense though for you guys to fixate on this point since you need this to be about whether or not I'm convinced it happened rather than the my actual argument which is, it's a lie to say there is no evidence of it. I think that's called reframing the argument.
 
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