Wide spread election fraud 2020

[Gulo Blue]

Acknowledged. The BLM organization is radically anti-American by its own admission. Antifa appears to be comprised of cowardly malcontents without much purpose but to agitate.

The Capitol Stormer is Antifa-like in its hopeless methods and unclear objectives.

What's the organization? I didn't think there was one. Wikipedia calls it decentralized.

 

[Spartanmack]

It's a bit of a conflation to mention the BLM/ANTIFA rioting with the people who stormed the Capitol.

I'm not condoning or defending what happened at the capitol, but from what I can tell, this wasn't a planned insurrection, it looks like a protest that morphed into a riot, like a lot of what happened this summer all over the country - a lot of these idiots stopped and posed for the Cameras. It doesn't seem a whole lot different from idiots storming a police precinct and destroying it, or a attacking a federal courthouse every night for a month, or the take over 13 blocks of a city, kicking out the police and declaring it autonomous zone.l

 

[Spartanmack]

So what? Do you imagine that's the only thing that has happened in the last few years?

no, is that a requirement?

 

[Spartanmack]

Acknowledged. The BLM organization is radically anti-American by its own admission. Antifa appears to be comprised of cowardly malcontents without much purpose but to agitate.

The Capitol Stormer is Antifa-like in its hopeless methods and unclear objectives.

Antifa may be less organized but it's not less anti-American, perhaps more.

 

[Gulo Blue]

no, is that a requirement?

The way you used that argument it is.

 

[byco42]

What's the organization? I didn't think there was one. Wikipedia calls it decentralized.

I guess that's my point. It was an organic resistance that attracted like personas for a one-time fiasco.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I guess that's my point. It was an organic resistance that attracted like personas for a one-time fiasco.

Then I'm sure there are both anti-American people involved and very patriotic people involved.

 

[byco42]

Then I'm sure there are both anti-American people involved and very patriotic people involved.

"Patriotic" people: In the actual Capitol breach? In actual destruction of Federal buildings? I can't sign that.

 

[Gulo Blue]

So, my legal question is is it ok to just up in a crowded theater and shout "It's hot in here, and it's going to get hotter, hotter like you've never seen. People are saying it's going to get too hot. I'm not saying there's a fire in here, but it's going to feel like burning with how hot it's going to feel and I think you should leave in an orderly fashion. Back in my day, we wouldn't have left in such an orderly fashion, but these days I have to say it should be orderly."

 

[Gulo Blue]

"Patriotic" people: In the actual Capitol breach? In actual destruction of Federal buildings? I can't sign that.

I meant BLM, you said the organization admits to being anti-American. I didn't think any organization got to claim ownership of BLM.


But regarding the Capitol breach, plenty of people went to Washington and marched for Trump without going in the Capitol. Hopefully the vast majority. My gut would say the vast majority, but I don't know.

 

[Michchamp]

So, my legal question is is it ok to just up in a crowded theater and shout "It's hot in here, and it's going to get hotter, hotter like you've never seen. People are saying it's going to get too hot. I'm not saying there's a fire in here, but it's going to feel like burning with how hot it's going to feel and I think you should leave in an orderly fashion. Back in my day, we wouldn't have left in such an orderly fashion, but these days I have to say it should be orderly."

That would probably be okay.

 

[Gulo Blue]

That would probably be okay.

I haven't read everything Trump has said, but I suspect he hasn't met any legal definition of incitement. But to some degree it's like the description of porn about knowing it when you see it. He knows he has supporters hanging on crazy conspiracy stories talking about violent overthrow and given the chance to denounce it, he wouldn't; he just kept saying the stuff that encouraged them. But then again, my impressions is that you don't need to meet any legal definitions when it comes to impeachment.

 

[byco42]

I meant BLM, you said the organization admits to being anti-American. I didn't think any organization got to claim ownership of BLM.

BLM IS an organization. It's incorporated. Founded in 2013. "Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation, Inc. is a global organization in the US, UK, and Canada..."

Its leadership is on the record for being "Marxist trained." And also keenly focused on gender and sexual orientation.

 

[Gulo Blue]

BLM IS an organization. It's incorporated. Founded in 2013. "Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation, Inc. is a global organization in the US, UK, and Canada..."

Its leadership is on the record for being "Marxist trained." And also keenly focused on gender and sexual orientation.

What percentage of people that say they are BLM are even aware of that?


Wikipedia mentions that group, but even the wikipedia page for that group says:

The Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation is a decentralized organization with multiple chapters based in various cities dedicated to organizing and continuing activist activities in the Black Lives Matter movement. The organization has no leader and most chapters act very autonomously. The organization is often mistaken for other organizations in the Black Lives Matter movement because it often solely employs the phrase "Black Lives Matter" as its name.[2] While the BLMGNF often simply calls itself "Black Lives Matter" it is not the sole organization within the broader Black Lives Matter social movement.[3]

 

[Thumb]

a rhetorical question. it's beyond stupid to think the cops were more aggressive in the BLM/Antifa riots of 2020.

You mean like hitting reporters and their camera men in the back with riot shields and shooting them with rubber bullets for absolutely no reason whatsoever? They were not rioting, that were simply filming and reporting.

It's beyond stupid to post something like this

 

[Spartanmack]

The way you used that argument it is.

No it’s not. You’re conveniently (again) ignoring the facts here. In this case, that specific incident was put forward (by your boyfriend) as evidence for why the response to the mostly peaceful riots of 2020 more aggressive than the mostly peaceful insurrection of 2021. I’m not required to name more instances in order to make the point that he’s full of shit.

 

[Gulo Blue]

You mean like hitting reporters and their camera men in the back with riot shields and shooting them with rubber bullets for absolutely no reason whatsoever? They were not rioting, that were simply filming and reporting.

It's beyond stupid to post something like this

You're mistaken, they were clearly defusing a bomb.

 

[byco42]

What percentage of people that say they are BLM are even aware of that?

I don't know. I've seen videos the actual leadership that made that exact statement.

“The first thing, I think, is that we actually do have an ideological frame. Myself and Alicia in particular are trained organizers,” [Patrisse Cullors] said, referring to BLM co-founder Alicia Garza.

“We are trained Marxists. We are super-versed on, sort of, ideological theories. And I think that what we really tried to do is build a movement that could be utilized by many, many black folk.”

Or their own website that says:

"In 2013, three radical Black organizers — Alicia Garza, Patrisse Cullors, and Opal Tometi — created a Black-centered political will and movement building project called #BlackLivesMatter. It was in response to the acquittal of Trayvon Martin’s murderer, George Zimmerman."

Anyone with even a little curiosity can find this.

 

[Gulo Blue]

No it?s not. You?re conveniently (again) ignoring the facts here. In this case, that specific incident was put forward (by your boyfriend) as evidence for why the response to the mostly peaceful riots of 2020 more aggressive than the mostly peaceful insurrection of 2021. I?m not required to name more instances in order to make the point that he?s full of shit.

We're different people. I made a general statement about a general statement.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I don't know. I've seen videos the actual leadership that made that exact statement.

?The first thing, I think, is that we actually do have an ideological frame. Myself and Alicia in particular are trained organizers,? [Patrisse Cullors] said, referring to BLM co-founder Alicia Garza.

?We are trained Marxists. We are super-versed on, sort of, ideological theories. And I think that what we really tried to do is build a movement that could be utilized by many, many black folk.?

Or their own website that says:

"In 2013, three radical Black organizers ? Alicia Garza, Patrisse Cullors, and Opal Tometi ? created a Black-centered political will and movement building project called #BlackLivesMatter. It was in response to the acquittal of Trayvon Martin?s murderer, George Zimmerman."

Anyone with even a little curiosity can find this.

Sure, but BLM is way bigger than this guy. If the vast majority of BLM marchers haven't heard of this guy, then marching with BLM is no reason to expect they agree with these statements.