Wide spread election fraud 2020

[sggatecl]

The Capitol riot was greeted with a much more lethal response.

Dragging a cop into the mob and beating him to death and then storming the doors where Congress presides tends to get a more lethal response than burning some department stores. No doubt.

 

[byco42]

Dragging a cop into the mob and beating him to death and then storming the doors where Congress presides tends to get a more lethal response than burning some department stores. No doubt.

On the day that the Electoral Vote took place, no doubt. I don't care if the 2020 election went the way of a typical Boss Tweed affair, two wrongs do not make a right. Assemble, chant, post signs, have speakers present their objections and grievances--but breaching the Capitol was well beyond the pale.

 

[tomdalton22]

On the day that the Electoral Vote took place, no doubt. I don't care if the 2020 election went the way of a typical Boss Tweed affair, two wrongs do not make a right. Assemble, chant, post signs, have speakers present their objections and grievances--but breaching the Capitol was well beyond the pale.

I agree 100%.

I saw a video of rioters beating a cop. If that's the cop that died, I hope they find each and every one of the people that laid a hand on him and each one gets life. That entire scene was disgusting.

And the cop that shot that woman in the neck...he should be back on the force right now. You try to break into my house...you are going to get shot in the neck!

 

[Michchamp]

Dragging a cop into the mob and beating him to death and then storming the doors where Congress presides tends to get a more lethal response than burning some department stores. No doubt.

It may have been more lethal, although I'm only aware of one direct killing by cops in this case, and I don't think he's right that the only protestors killed this past summer were the two shot by Kyle Rittenhouse. THere was a similar killing in Austin TX, and the cops also assassinated that guy in Portland OR who allegedly killed a Trump supporter.


Even if it wasn't as lethal, the response to the George Floyd protests was more violent. Much like the misdirection about COVID - dying isn't the only negative outcome. Getting blinded by the cops shooting you in the eyes with rubber bullets, or beaten senseless, or battered and getting permanent brain damage by the cops to cite a couple examples are bad too.

Fivethirtyeight compared the capitol riot and the protests over the summer (link), and found the police were more likely to result to force in the latter case.

No wonder... scroll down reddit/news right now, and the number of stories of cops getting investigated for taking part in the capitol riot is surprising. Police don't like to batter and fight their "brothers" in law enforcement.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Dragging a cop into the mob and beating him to death and then storming the doors where Congress presides tends to get a more lethal response than burning some department stores. No doubt.

It should.

 

[Spartanmack]

She was screaming and was part of an attempt to breach an entry.

The people who claim that the Black Lives Matter riots over the summer were handled substantially differently by the police than this riot are correct.

The Capitol riot was greeted with a much more lethal response.

With a few thousand riders over the course of a few hours, five of the rioters were killed.

With millions of people involved in riots that went on over a course of weeks, the only rioters that I am aware of being killed were those two that were shot by that Rittenhouse kid, who was a rioter himself.

They didn’t use teargas at the Capitol.

No shit?

The melee was inside – the police would have been gassing themselves.

They didn’t use rubber bullets.

No shit?

They used at least one live round, and it killed one of the rioters.

were there 5 killed last week? I keep seeing 1 shot and 3 or 4 died from "medical issues" whatever that means - obviously the press is very careful how they word these things.

clearly the response has been different and will continue to be - the mostly peaceful rioters were lauded and encouraged by Democrat politicians, while the "insurrection" has been condemned by virtually everyone. No one ever tried to press charges or blame Pelosi, Tlaib, Presley or Waters for inciting violence, but apparently impeachment docs will be presented to the House today at 11am. Those are some pretty big differences.

there were at least 2 people murdered in the autonomous zone in Seattle. Unverified stats from the internets are 23+ people killed, 700 police officers injured (without even looking, I recall 2 cops were ambushed and shot in their squad car in or near LA, retired police chief in St. Louis was murdered as he attempted to prevent rioting and looting, i'm sure there are more) and 150+ federal buildings damaged during the mostly peaceful riots of 2020.

 

[tomdalton22]

It may have been more lethal, although I'm only aware of one direct killing by cops in this case, and I don't think he's right that the only protestors killed this past summer were the two shot by Kyle Rittenhouse. THere was a similar killing in Austin TX, and the cops also assassinated that guy in Portland OR who allegedly killed a Trump supporter.


Even if it wasn't as lethal, the response to the George Floyd protests was more violent. Much like the misdirection about COVID - dying isn't the only negative outcome. Getting blinded by the cops shooting you in the eyes with rubber bullets, or beaten senseless, or battered and getting permanent brain damage by the cops to cite a couple examples are bad too.

Fivethirtyeight compared the capitol riot and the protests over the summer (link), and found the police were more likely to result to force in the latter case.

No wonder... scroll down reddit/news right now, and the number of stories of cops getting investigated for taking part in the capitol riot is surprising. Police don't like to batter and fight their "brothers" in law enforcement.

fortunately, or unfortunately, however you want to look at it, the reason there wasn't more violence by the police towards the rioters is because they weren't ready for it. The reason they weren't ready is probably up for debate. Maybe they were told that it wasn't going to happen, maybe they didn't think Trump would encourage the protestors. Of course, I don't know how they didn't know. "Trump, tweeted on Dec. 20. ?Big protest in DC on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!?"

I am starting to believe that the order to not have the police in full riot gear on that day, came down from the top . I believe if they had been, the capitol bldg. wouldn't have been breached and there would have been hundreds of rioters with rubber bullet wounds, extensive injuries from tear gas, etc.

 

[byco42]

fortunately, or unfortunately, however you want to look at it, the reason there wasn't more violence by the police towards the rioters is because they weren't ready for it. The reason they weren't ready is probably up for debate. Maybe they were told that it wasn't going to happen, maybe they didn't think Trump would encourage the protestors. Of course, I don't know how they didn't know. "Trump, tweeted on Dec. 20. ?Big protest in DC on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!?"

I am starting to believe that the order to not have the police in full riot gear on that day, came down from the top . I believe if they had been, the capitol bldg. wouldn't have been breached and there would have been hundreds of rioters with rubber bullet wounds, extensive injuries from tear gas, etc.

Yet the CP is taking the flax from selected Congressional representatives that it dropped the ball and that there will be [additional] consequences. I wonder how the CP can't determine for itself what protective measures are needed based on circumstances. For its own protection and for the protection of our elected officials.

Apparently the command centers for protecting the Capitol was the DOJ and the Mayor's office.

 

[Spartanmack]

It may have been more lethal, although I'm only aware of one direct killing by cops in this case, and I don't think he's right that the only protestors killed this past summer were the two shot by Kyle Rittenhouse. THere was a similar killing in Austin TX, and the cops also assassinated that guy in Portland OR who allegedly killed a Trump supporter.


Even if it wasn't as lethal, the response to the George Floyd protests was more violent. Much like the misdirection about COVID - dying isn't the only negative outcome. Getting blinded by the cops shooting you in the eyes with rubber bullets, or beaten senseless, or battered and getting permanent brain damage by the cops to cite a couple examples are bad too.

Fivethirtyeight compared the capitol riot and the protests over the summer (link), and found the police were more likely to result to force in the latter case.

No wonder... scroll down reddit/news right now, and the number of stories of cops getting investigated for taking part in the capitol riot is surprising. Police don't like to batter and fight their "brothers" in law enforcement.

Well if 538 said the response to the mostly peaceful riots this summer was more likely to be forceful then it must be true. Did 538 forget that cops in Minneapolis not only stood down but abandoned an entire precinct headquarters to allow it to be destroyed by BLM and Antifa losers. They did the same thing with 13 blocks of downtown Seattle. Idiot pundits bitched about the very presence of federal marshalls at the federal courthouse in Portland were inciting violence despite the fact they sheltered inside the courthouse behind temporary barricades as rioters attempted to breach the facility. Cops did almost nothing to stop rioters from torching DC, LA, Portland, etc. by the way, the guy who got blinded by a rubber bullet was in the middle of a riot, and got shot with a rubber bullet - the same tactic the press and some folks here are bitching about how the Capitol police should have been prepared to do to the rioters last week. I guess it’s damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Apparently the command centers for protecting the Capitol was the DOJ and the Mayor's office.

Interesting combination. DOJ could be a Trump loyalist, Mayor's office is very anti-Trump. You could imagine a situation where either one intentionally dropped the ball, but there's also the possibility they work so poorly together it was just incompetence.

 

[Michchamp]

...Did 538 forget that cops in Minneapolis not only stood down but abandoned an entire precinct headquarters to allow it to be destroyed by BLM and Antifa losers. ....

Is that a question? Why don't you Listen to the report yourself and tell me, loudmouth?

 

[Spartanmack]

Is that a question? Why don't you Listen to the report yourself and tell me, loudmouth?

a rhetorical question. it's beyond stupid to think the cops were more aggressive in the BLM/Antifa riots of 2020.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I guess it?s damned if you do, damned if you don?t.

It's not damned if you do, damned if you don?t. It's damned if you do too much or too little of course, but the issue here is the perception that you do to one group and don't with the other based on politics.

 

[Gulo Blue]

If only we had a hundred pages of discussion of protests and police reactions going back to Ferguson...

 

[byco42]

It's a bit of a conflation to mention the BLM/ANTIFA rioting with the people who stormed the Capitol.

 

[Spartanmack]

It's not damned if you do, damned if you don?t. It's damned if you do too much or too little of course, but the issue here is the perception that you do to one group and don't with the other based on politics.

no, it's not. If an idiot gets shot in the eye and blinded by a rubber bullet during a riot after not following orders to not riot, that's not excessive force, it's unfortunate but not excessive. Cops can't be expected to have laser precision when firing at a bunch of people in motion.

 

[Gulo Blue]

It's a bit of a conflation to mention the BLM/ANTIFA rioting with the people who stormed the Capitol.

It's a conflation to say BLM/ANTIFA. Like saying Trump march participant/Capitol Stormer.

 

[Gulo Blue]

no, it's not. If an idiot gets shot in the eye and blinded by a rubber bullet during a riot after not following orders to not riot, that's not excessive force, it's unfortunate but not excessive. Cops can't be expected to have laser precision when firing at a bunch of people in motion.

So what? Do you imagine that's the only thing that has happened in the last few years?

 

[byco42]

It's a conflation to say BLM/ANTIFA. Like saying Trump march participant/Capitol Stormer.

Acknowledged. The BLM organization is radically anti-American by its own admission. Antifa appears to be comprised of cowardly malcontents without much purpose but to agitate.

The Capitol Stormer is Antifa-like in its hopeless methods and unclear objectives.

 

[Gulo Blue]

It's going to take a while to figure out what happened.



https://www.npr.org/2021/01/11/9555...ims-national-guard-was-never-called-during-ri

The former chief of U.S. Capitol Police says security officials at the House and Senate rebuffed his early requests to call in the National Guard ahead of a demonstration in support of President Trump that turned into a deadly attack on Congress.
Former chief Steven Sund --who resigned his post last week after House Speaker Nancy Pelosi called for him to step down -- made the assertions in an interview with The Washington Post published Sunday.