You win this round, Communists!

[Gulo Blue]

I consider myself to be a moderate righty, but these days, moderate right is the right end of the democrat spectrum. Guess I need to worry more about primaries than general elections.

 

[Thumb]

You're the only person who considers you to be on the right side of center.

The rest of us know you're really a liberal. Come out of the closet, we have cookies.

 

[Gulo Blue]

You're the only person who considers you to be on the right side of center.

The rest of us know you're really a liberal. Come out of the closet, we have cookies.

 

[Mitchrapp]

You're the only person who considers you to be on the right side of center.

The rest of us know you're really a liberal. Come out of the closet, we have cookies.

We have pie.

 

[grandy]

Hmm

I hear conservatives say Democrats have moved to the far left and Republicans are now center-left

I hear liberals say Republicans have moved to the far right and Democrats are now center-right

Which is it?

 

[Michchamp]

Compare statements and positions over time and it's clear. 1980 Ronald Reagan and 1972 Richard Nixon would have a hard time passing muster in today's GOP primary.

 

[TheVictors]

But JFK wouldn't.

 

[Monster]

Hmm

I hear conservatives say Democrats have moved to the far left and Republicans are now center-left

I hear liberals say Republicans have moved to the far right and Democrats are now center-right

Which is it?

The first part of each statement.

 

[Gulo Blue]

The first part of each statement.

Pretty much this, with the center being a little more right than it has been.

http://xkcd.com/1127/

 

[tinselwolverine]

Compare statements and positions over time and it's clear. 1980 Ronald Reagan and 1972 Richard Nixon would have a hard time passing muster in today's GOP primary.

Liberals only say this because they're pissed off about all the years that conservatives used to say the same thing about John F. Kennedy and the modern Democratic party.

It's kind of a "nanny nanny nanny" thing; the kind of shit that Sean Hannity and Ed Schultz like to do.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Liberals only say this because they're pissed off about all the years that conservatives used to say the same thing about John F. Kennedy and the modern Democratic party.

It's kind of a "nanny nanny nanny" thing; the kind of shit that Sean Hannity and Ed Schultz like to do.

EDIT: It's relatively long forgotten anecdote, but Kennedy and Nixon had quite a collegial relationship during their tenure together in the Senate (including Nixon's years presiding over the Senate as the Vice President).

They shared a lot of the same views, and Kennedy actually donated $3000 to Nixon's first Senatorial run against Helen Gahagan Douglas, whom her primary opponent, Manchester Boddy, had dubbed "the Pink Lady."

EDIT: Oh, I quoted myself instead of editing myself...not the first time...

 

[Thumb]

We have pie.

True, but you outsourced all the labor to make it.

We have union cookies.

 

[tinselwolverine]

You're the only person who considers you to be on the right side of center.

The rest of us know you're really a liberal. Come out of the closet, we have cookies.

I think Gulo hasn't become a liberal...

...but crossed the line as what would be ideologically described as a Blue Dog Democrat...


Bluuuuuue.....

Blue Dog.....

Bluuuuuuuuuue.....

 

[Mitchrapp]

True, but you outsourced all the labor to make it.

We have union cookies.

But if a worker knocked all the cookies off the table he'd still keep his job.. That's just wrong..

 

[Michchamp]

you could take the stupid way and say "Well, BOTH sides claim these things... just can't figure it out myself! I guess maybe meet in the middle and there's the truth."

Or you could take a few hours to educate yourself and see that marginal tax rates have fallen across the board since the 1980's (both personal income taxes and corporate income taxes, meaning there's a larger tax burden for everyone among the bottom 90% or whatever of tax brackets, since they still have to pay all the other taxes that make up the shortfalls (gasoline, cigarettes, sales taxes, etc.)), there are fewer and larger employers since we took the teeth out of anti-trust laws, fewer decent paying middle class jobs, wealth disparity is far greater than anytime from the 1940's to the present, and health care and college costs have soared with fewer government subsidies, and see the reality of the situation.

just because one side is still carrying on whining and complaining, doesn't mean they haven't been getting their way for 20+ years while pretending the current situation isn't their fault.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I think Gulo hasn't become a liberal...

...but crossed the line as what would be ideologically described as a Blue Dog Democrat...


Bluuuuuue.....

Blue Dog.....

Bluuuuuuuuuue.....

I like dogs.

 

[Michchamp]

I like dogs.

I don't think you're a blue dog even.

the "blue dogs" were basically moderate Republicans... hawkish on foreign policy, domestic surveillance, war, spending, but they didn't go full-idiot like Tea Partiers.

you're basically liberal in every way, shape, and form, except you take more pains than the rest of us to eschew labels & remain civil with teh Tea Party (which will prove to be impossible for even you).

 

[tinselwolverine]

I don't think you're a blue dog even.

the "blue dogs" were basically moderate Republicans... hawkish on foreign policy, domestic surveillance, war, spending, but they didn't go full-idiot like Tea Partiers.

you're basically liberal in every way, shape, and form, except you take more pains than the rest of us to eschew labels & remain civil with teh Tea Party (which will prove to be impossible for even you).

The blue dogs "were?"

I didn't realize they went away...

The next Democratic nominee for President...she's a blue dog, isn't she?

 

[Michchamp]

The blue dogs "were?"

I didn't realize they went away...

The next Democratic nominee for President...she's a blue dog, isn't she?

pretty much. yeah, I guess you're right.

there's talk of getting Bernie Sanders to run in the primary to actually force her left, and I think he even said he was entertaining a run.

 

[tinselwolverine]

pretty much. yeah, I guess you're right.

there's talk of getting Bernie Sanders to run in the primary to actually force her left, and I think he even said he was entertaining a run.

Currently, he is not a Democrat.