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Trump wins, but...

They can protest if they want to as long as no one gets hurt. You will have to ask them why they are doing it.

I'm asking you because I didn't see this when Obama got elected or Clinton or even Bush when he lost the popular vote. It has to be a strict "I hate Trump protest." If it was reverse, Hillary won fair and square no the same would not happen.
 
I'm asking you because I didn't see this when Obama got elected or Clinton or even Bush when he lost the popular vote. It has to be a strict "I hate Trump protest." If it was reverse, Hillary won fair and square no the same would not happen.

That I don't know or said. I was talking about Trump being pissed if he won the popular vote like this. I'm sure he would have contested it. And BTW you don't know either what would have happened. there is alot of pissed off white people it seems in American.
 
That I don't know or said. I was talking about Trump being pissed if he won the popular vote like this. I'm sure he would have contested it. And BTW you don't know either what would have happened. there is alot of pissed off white people it seems in American.

Right, pissed off white people who are protesting. You know liberals. As far as Trump contesting I keep hearing that but there is no proof, no more than thinking Hillary would have, that he would.
 
Right, pissed off white people who are protesting. You know liberals. As far as Trump contesting I keep hearing that but there is no proof, no more than thinking Hillary would have, that he would.

Wait a second. . She didn't and won the popular vote. We are never going to know how Trump's team would react ? Maybe your right . But my opinion is he wouldn't let it slide.
 
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I'm not a climate change denial like most of religious folks are and most if not all of the Trump team is.. I think democrats have a right to be pissed off. They cower every election they lose and do whatever the republicans want but republicans never get punished for obstructing.
Seriously why did obamacare work ? Why just blame obama and the Democrats like you guys always do.

You are not assuaging my concerns. I mean from an emotional and mental standpoint. And I've never known Democrats to cower before anyone. And there is no law that prohibits "obstruction" ... and I anticipate a veritable Majinot Line from the Democrats, who had carte blanche from 2009-2010.

Not certain what brand of punishment you advocate for the "obstruction" that the Dems are sure to exert or at least attempt.
 
Lena Dunham is an idiot.

I know who Lena Dunham is but I really have never seen anything she's done or been in. I guess what I know about her I associate her with the whole lezbo feminist rape culture crowd, although my understanding is she has been fucking some white guy who's a musician for sometime, so I guess she doesn't want him to go extinct with the rest of the whitemail heterosexuals.
 
I just don't agree with one vote having more value than another. And that's what happens now because the number of electoral votes that a state is given isn't directly proportional to population. Take Alaska and Michigan for example. Alaska had 3 electoral votes with a population of 686,293, for an average of 228,764 voters per elector. Michigan had 17 votes with 10,003,422 voters, for an average of 588,436. So an individual vote in Alaska had over twice the impact as a vote in Michigan.

And if we're going back to the founding fathers, it was originally set up that the vast majority of states would just let legislatures pick whoever they want. States didn't all start using popular vote until after the civil war. So it's already been bastardized.

And then, what's the point anyway? Is there going to be any real impact once an election is all said and done? Is Alaska going to benefit in any way since Trump got their 3 electoral votes? Sure, a small state may get more stump speeches and political ads, but that's more a negative than anything. The psychological gains of residents in a few particular swing states feeling they are important are at least equaled out by the California scenario that monster points out. And the only real outcome is that some people have more say than others, when the original intention was that the general populous shouldn't really have a direct say at all.

I didn't read the link that came after this post about the history of the EC, but one thing I do know, is that the math is bound to be skewed some because it is 1 electoral vote for each person in Congress, which includes the Senate. So the minimum for any state is 3 electoral votes - and after the 100 Senate votes - you aren't saying they (AK) shouldn't even have 1 for their population total and representation in Congress are you? I think after you take out the Senate based electors, it is nearly all based on population proportion, isn't it?

I think there would be much more support for making sure California is really getting their fair share. Maybe 53 isn't enough based on their enormous population?

But, then comes the gerry-mandering, which is inevitable. So many are out to "beat" the system, and spend way more effort trying to stay in power than make it fair. Maybe it is time to "drain the swamp" to use a now hated slogan.

I had grave misgivings about both candidates as people, but I also have a deep respect for the office of POTUS. The USA has survived many situations, some I would even call worse than what we have now, but I am pretty damn sure the US (merca for all you libtards) will survive this too, just as they would have had HRC won. I had resigned myself to a Clinton presidency as most of the punditry did, and was putting together my "survival" plan already.

NOTE:
"Survival" as in how to flourish, not becoming a survivalist, for anyone that didn't understand how I was using the term.
 
just heard that about 2/3 of the 112 protesters that were arrested in Portland either didn't vote or weren't even registered.
 
just heard that about 2/3 of the 112 protesters that were arrested in Portland either didn't vote or weren't even registered.

Was that a surprise? Just like with the SF QB, you talk shit but the end of the day they don't do shit to try and change anything..

I bet the school kids crying, missing exams and walking out didn't vote it..
 
just heard that about 2/3 of the 112 protesters that were arrested in Portland either didn't vote or weren't even registered.

I wouldn't read too much into that. People that get arrested generally make bad decisions.

If you told me a big chunk of the peaceful protesters didn't vote, I'd be interested.
 
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You are not assuaging my concerns. I mean from an emotional and mental standpoint. And I've never known Democrats to cower before anyone. And there is no law that prohibits "obstruction" ... and I anticipate a veritable Majinot Line from the Democrats, who had carte blanche from 2009-2010.

Not certain what brand of punishment you advocate for the "obstruction" that the Dems are sure to exert or at least attempt.

Stop being so blind to the Gop obstruction of Obama and they even did it in 2009-10. But even if what you said is true and it was 'Carte Blanche' wtf excuse does the Gop have from 2010-16. Time and time again they obstructed obama and the evidence is clear on this. THE Gop has the keys now. They can appoint any racist piece if crap they want to help President Ryan as he pulls the puppet strings of Trump. A jobs bill will get passed first something the Gop has obstructed for years. Heck some rebulicans like Scott Walker and others want to do away with the filibusters. I don't think most rebulicans will go for it but who knows. He did not have carte Blanche as you say , and don't act like the Gop didn't obstruct. The funny thing is the Gop never gets punished for obstructing and I find that werid.


http://www.politicususa.com/2016/07...a-supreme-court-nominee-trump-convention.html

http://crooksandliars.com/jon-perr/republicans-unprecedented-obstructionism-by-numbers

http://cjonline.com/blog-post/lucin...-did-not-control-congress-his-first-two-years


https://ourfuture.org/20140923/the-cost-to-our-economy-from-republican-obstruction-and-sabotage

http://swampland.time.com/2012/08/23/the-party-of-no-new-details-on-the-gop-plot-to-obstruct-obama/


http://newsjunkiepost.com/2010/03/02/republican-obstruction-at-work-record-number-of-filibusters/
 
Stop being so blind to the Gop obstruction of Obama and they even did it in 2009-10. But even if what you said is true and it was 'Carte Blanche' wtf excuse does the Gop have from 2010-16. Time and time again they obstructed obama and the evidence is clear on this. THE Gop has the keys now. They can appoint any racist piece if crap they want to help President Ryan as he pulls the puppet strings of Trump. A jobs bill will get passed first something the Gop has obstructed for years. Heck some rebulicans like Scott Walker and others want to do away with the filibusters. I don't think most rebulicans will go for it but who knows. He did not have carte Blanche as you say , and don't act like the Gop didn't obstruct. The funny thing is the Gop never gets punished for obstructing and I find that werid.


http://www.politicususa.com/2016/07...a-supreme-court-nominee-trump-convention.html

http://crooksandliars.com/jon-perr/republicans-unprecedented-obstructionism-by-numbers

http://cjonline.com/blog-post/lucin...-did-not-control-congress-his-first-two-years


https://ourfuture.org/20140923/the-cost-to-our-economy-from-republican-obstruction-and-sabotage

http://swampland.time.com/2012/08/23/the-party-of-no-new-details-on-the-gop-plot-to-obstruct-obama/


http://newsjunkiepost.com/2010/03/02/republican-obstruction-at-work-record-number-of-filibusters/

Obstructing Obama on some things could have been a good thing.
 
After the count was final it is found the Trump also won the popular vote as well as thew electoral college.
 
I wouldn't be shocked that she wins by over 2 million when they are all counted. It will be close . I wonder if Greg Palast is right about massive voting name purges ? I mean the Gop has redistricted everything so they can win most local elections so I wouldn't put it past them to purge names from voting rolls.

http://www.gregpalast.com/election-stolen-heres/#more-12923
 
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After the count was final it is found the Trump also won the popular vote as well as thew electoral college.

Validate this.

Under the constitution the "popular vote" doesn't mean shit, and any educated person knows it doesn't mean shit.

But go ahead and validate your claim that Trump won the so called "popular vote," which again, doesn't mean shit.
 
Validate this.

Under the constitution the "popular vote" doesn't mean shit, and any educated person knows it doesn't mean shit.

But go ahead and validate your claim that Trump won the so called "popular vote," which again, doesn't mean shit.

He didn't win the popular vote. But, it should mean shit. It should be the deciding factor. How the fuck does it make any sense that Trump won when he lost by 1.4 million votes? I will never understand how people defend the current system. It's shit and anyone who thinks it works is also shit. I don't care who won the popular vote - they should be president.

Every individual vote should equal one vote.
 
He didn't win the popular vote. But, it should mean shit. It should be the deciding factor. How the fuck does it make any sense that Trump won when he lost by 1.4 million votes? I will never understand how people defend the current system. It's shit and anyone who thinks it works is also shit. I don't care who won the popular vote - they should be president.

Every individual vote should equal one vote.

I understand what you're saying, and it's also been discussed in this thread since the election.

The electoral college was established in the Constitution at the time the Constitution was ratified and became law under its own provisions.

Whether or not one thinks the electoral college is antiquated, its electoral edicts are the prevailing law, and that will be near impossible to change.

I didn't have a dog in this fight - I disliked both intensely for different reasons.


I would be equally as happy and also equally as disappointed had Clinton been elected.


Fucking the English nor the Israelis don't even vote for the governmental head of state at all - the majority party elects its leader amongst its ranks.

Under that system, Paul Ryan would be at 1600 Pennsylvania Av (that's what we'd call it, just like 10 Downing Street) as our Prime Minister...with virtually nobody having ever had the chance to vote for him or against him for shit!

EDIT: Also, and I'm sorry...the Constitution specifically designates that all votes do NOT count equally.

Don't blame me that I know this shit - blame those dead fucks with their faces on money who wrote that shit, and made that shit incredibly difficult to change.
 
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Maybe he's counting all the illegals who voted, lets say 3 million, which would change the popular vote totals..

And we all know if they went by popular vote and the candidates knew this - they would just go to states like CALIFORNIA, NY, and other big states. No more Vermont, or NH etc. So the popular vote could be different.

The old saying, rub some dirt on it.
 
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