10 Signs the US is now the most corrupt nation in the world

[biggunsbob]

1 sign michturd is the dumbest person posting on DSF:


- He starts profoundly moronic threads like this with links to articles from truthdig.com

Yet another wasted 10 seconds reading anything that mack posts on here. Your nothing buy a waste of time.

 

[biggunsbob]

Pretty easy to see how corrupt our elections have become . The gop is by far the worst political party we have ever seen. Followed closely by the dumb democrats who are just to stupid they let the gop cheat and get away with it.

 

[dubbsco]

Yet another wasted 10 seconds reading anything that mack posts on here. Your nothing buy a waste of time.

I'm starting to think that a politics sub forum may not have been the best choice of action. There's rarely any good conversation without people calling each other names. It's not worth it.

 

[turok]

I'm starting to think that a politics sub forum may not have been the best choice of action. There's rarely any good conversation without people calling each other names. It's not worth it.

This forum is relatively mild, when compared to more regional and national forums. I used to enjoy matching political wits and burns with RWers, on the ESPN NFL General messageboard, especially in the offseason back in its mid-00s heydays.

My only issue with this one is that there aren't very many members posting here anymore, which makes me want to abandon it. We also have two-three mods who could do a better job of curbing the more personal attacks, IMO. Otherwise, what is the point of having 4 of them? One or two would be enough to banhammer newly registered spammers. The DSF manager Monster, hasn't posted since early December, last I checked his profile.

 

[dubbsco]

This forum is relatively mild, when compared to more regional and national forums. I used to enjoy matching political wits and burns with RWers, on the ESPN NFL General messageboard, especially in the offseason back in its mid-00s heydays.

My only issue with this one is that there aren't very many members posting here anymore, which makes me want to abandon it.

Yeah, I never dabble in the national comment sections with regards to politics, just no purpose to it. I think politics are just one of those topics that no one will ever see eye to eye, and no one will ever change their mind.

 

[Michchamp]

wouldn't you have to compare nations to develop the opinion that the US is the most corrupt?

His article's title was very poorly worded, but I don't disagree with its content.

He makes the point that the US economy is so vast, that any corruption here dwarfs corruption elsewhere.

Like I think about a story about Ukraine my wife told me. at her university, some professors would openly hint they required bribes from students around exam periods. These were not usually expensive (by American standards), but the average Ukrainian college student couldn't afford them.

And other things, from getting a dorm room to getting admitted period were all open for sale... a few thousand dollars here or there.

Students that couldn't afford the bribes could still get in, and pass exams, but their professors made it a lot harder on them. in one case my wife told me her professor, upset that my wife didn't bring her "a gift" made her go through an additional round of exams, after other kids were done.

Initially when I'd hear these stories, I'd think "Wow! that's corrupt."

But I think about stories like the one in the stickied thread on this board (The Other Affirmative Action) about how Kushner's dad paid Harvard a couple million to get him in.

So the US is corrupt to, it's just that the dollar amounts are higher... a lot higher. Paying bribes - let's not mince words here - is an option only available to people with the means and the right connections.

I'm starting to think that a politics sub forum may not have been the best choice of action. There's rarely any good conversation without people calling each other names. It's not worth it.

you can ignore the name calling and just read the links or posts. I've learned from links others have posted.

I don't always respond to the insults and name calling; gotta remind yourself of the adage about wrestling in the mud with pigs. and there's no shame in ignoring someone's bullshit post that makes disengenuous arguments or insults... I think most people here know who is who.

 

[dubbsco]

He makes the point that the US economy is so vast, that any corruption here dwarfs corruption elsewhere.

Like I think about a story about Ukraine my wife told me. at her university, some professors would openly hint they required bribes from students around exam periods. These were not usually expensive (by American standards), but the average Ukrainian college student couldn't afford them.

And other things, from getting a dorm room to getting admitted period were all open for sale... a few thousand dollars here or there.

Students that couldn't afford the bribes could still get in, and pass exams, but their professors made it a lot harder on them. in one case my wife told me her professor, upset that my wife didn't bring her "a gift" made her go through an additional round of exams, after other kids were done.

Initially when I'd hear these stories, I'd think "Wow! that's corrupt."

But I think about stories like the one in the stickied thread on this board (The Other Affirmative Action) about how Kushner's dad paid Harvard a couple million to get him in.

So the US is corrupt to, it's just that the dollar amounts are higher... a lot higher. Paying bribes - let's not mince words here - is an option only available to people with the means and the right connections.



you can ignore the name calling and just read the links or posts. I've learned from links others have posted.

I don't always respond to the insults and name calling; gotta remind yourself of the adage about wrestling in the mud with pigs. and there's no shame in ignoring someone's bullshit post that makes disengenuous arguments or insults... I think most people here know who is who.

Yeah, I will say that before 2016, I really just kept my entire focus of life away from politics. I could rarely engage in conversations about anything because I just did not care, quite frankly.

I think if ANYTHING good comes from the Trump presidency, it is that it has brought somewhat younger people like myself into the fold.

 

[Gulo Blue]

So the US is corrupt to, it's just that the dollar amounts are higher... a lot higher. Paying bribes - let's not mince words here - is an option only available to people with the means and the right connections.

Hang on, just because corruption goes all the way down the economic spectrum there and it's more limited to the top here doesn't mean it isn't also happening at the top there.
It isn't we have this kind and they have that kind.
We have this kind and they have both kinds.

 

[turok]

Yeah, I never dabble in the national comment sections with regards to politics, just no purpose to it. I think politics are just one of those topics that no one will ever see eye to eye, and no one will ever change their mind.

Well...other than back when I was a seller on eBay and Amazon ~a decade ago, all of the time that I have spent online since then, is kinda wasting it. But if I wasn't retired, likely wouldn't be browsing or posting on it very much anyway.

 

[Michchamp]

Hang on, just because corruption goes all the way down the economic spectrum there and it's more limited to the top here doesn't mean it isn't also happening at the top there.
It isn't we have this kind and they have that kind.
We have this kind and they have both kinds.

Oh, I'm not saying a country like Ukraine isn't corrupt top-to-bottom.

But in some ways, that's a little more egalitarian than it is here. There, anybody can bribe if they can come up with the cash, and it's usually not as much cash.

here? only the people at the top can afford to buy their way through life.

maybe it's better? maybe worse, since the average American is more trusting than say the Average Ukrainian, and yet they shouldn't be?

I've read a number of comments though, along the line of what dubbs said, that it's getting bad enough here that more people are starting to wake up and realize they have to get involved. That may be the silver lining to Trump's presidency...

What Obama & Holder did with respect to prosecuting Wall Street crime & fraud, and what Obama and Clinton did in Libya, Syria, Yemen, Honduras were all bad, and thoroughly corrupt. but hey, they did it quietly and with some tact... and most people went along with it, because Obama was nominally on the people's side.

Trump's people are open, bumbling and stupid, and say the quiet parts aloud. It's waking people up.

 

[tomdalton22]

He makes the point that the US economy is so vast, that any corruption here dwarfs corruption elsewhere.

I guess that more accurate description wouldn't have grabbed headlines.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Trump's people are open, bumbling and stupid, and say the quiet parts aloud. It's waking people up.

I do think things are being shaken up. At least the demographics of participants are.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/08/us/politics/democrats-women-minorities.html

 

[tinselwolverine]

He makes the point that the US economy is so vast, that any corruption here dwarfs corruption elsewhere.

So really, it's a matter of scale, as opposed to ethics or morality?

Is he saying we're really no worse - just more?

 

[TheVictors]

Trump is a fucking cuntface fuck

 

[Michchamp]

Trump is a fucking cuntface fuck

That's a very good point.

 

[Spartanmack]

Yet another wasted 10 seconds reading anything that mack posts on here. Your nothing buy a waste of time.

it took you 10 seconds to read that?

 

[TheVictors]

That's a very good point.

focusing on quality > quantity with my posting these days.

 

[turok]

I do think things are being shaken up. At least the demographics of participants are.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/08/us/politics/democrats-women-minorities.html

We will see what happens during the mid-term elections this fall. Typically the current president's party loses seats in Congress, but that "carrot on a stick" in temporary tax-cuts to the middle class was intended to mitigate voter blowback over the record low approval ratings that Trump has, as well as Congress' typically abysmal approval ratings. State races are crucial for Democrats to score many wins, b/c Republicans have majority control of nearly 2/3rds of state legislatures, and Nebraska in particular is teetering onto becoming red.

 

[tinselwolverine]

focusing on quality > quantity with my posting these days.

I can see that.

I found post #34 to be particularly thoughtful and in depth.

 

[sggatecl]

I found post #34 to be particularly thoughtful and in depth.