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[Spartanmack]

Again the cars and trucks kill more people crutch...but now "bicycles" too? :hmm:

They are not the same as semi-auto assault WMD, and assault weapons ARE WMD, b/c they are manufactured for just one express purpose, to kill many people rapidly.

An armed assailant can shoot rapidly, wildly, and indiscriminantly within a school, but anyone trying to return fire needs to be very accurate amidst the chaos and panic. If he is not quickly wounded or killed, then he could use a student as a shield and/or take hostages.

first I'm not making the argument you seem to think I'm making. I don't make the cars kill more people than guns argument but he was talking about the risk of accidental shooting deaths as a reason to ban the ownership of guns. That's a significant distinction and the comparison is valid. It's not a crutch, it's a fact. Accidental deaths by guns are minuscule compared to accidental deaths by other devices we use every day and it's not a reasonable justification for banning gun ownership.

no, they're not WMDs and calling them WMDs doesn't somehow legitimize your argument.

in your scenario, the shooter is already slaughtering people en masse, so what if he's forced to stop shooting indiscriminately and maybe take a hostage because someone is shooting back? Is that not better than many more people getting killed? I agree, the person shooting back does have to be accurate and discerning, that's why I would only advocate for people who are adequately trained and license to be armed in schools.

 

[turok]

Seems people that lean right can't win with you. I live in an are with very low crime. I don't own a handgun because I don't feel the need to own one. I believe it should be the right of a poor person who lives in an area of high crime to own a gun for their protection. Isn't that what we are talking about? The right for someone that feels they need a handgun for protection to have the ability to own one?

If they can afford a gun, then that gun will be stolen as well, since most working poor who have jobs don't get the 9 to 5 and weekends off kind.

Not to mention that these burgled homes are often watched and the most vulnerable being scoped out beforehand.

What good is having a gun, if more than one robber is there and both or more are armed themselves? It might just increase the victim's odds of being shot and killed.

 

[sggatecl]

WELL, GET A NEW HOBBY.

If and when the 2nd amendment is changed/removed, I will gladly. Until then, I'll keep being a law abiding citizen. Blame your lawmakers, it's not my fault.

 

[Polish-Hammer]

why does that matter? do you think a person should only be allowed to own a gun for protection after their house has been broken into? is one break in enough or does it have to happen multiple times before you can buy the gun?

Nah, broski advocated he needs a gun for a specific purpose. Defending his house from an intruder. A case which neither he, his friends, or family ever had to deal with.

I just find his argument for why he needs a gun is hilarious. I am a coward, and I need a gun!


When did it become wrong to admit shooting guns is fun?
Or hunting for that matter.

BTW Spartan, I am not anti-gun. If you look at my youtube feeds half of it is channels like forgotten weapons and hickok45.

 

[sggatecl]

When did it become wrong to admit shooting guns is fun?
Or hunting for that matter.

Don't know but it's pretty dumb.

 

[Spartanmack]

Nah, broski advocated he needs a gun for a specific purpose. Defending his house from an intruder. A case which neither he, his friends, or family ever had to deal with.

I just find his argument for why he needs a gun is hilarious. I am a coward, and I need a gun!


When did it become wrong to admit shooting guns is fun?
Or hunting for that matter.

BTW Spartan, I am not anti-gun. If you look at my youtube feeds half of it is channels like forgotten weapons and hickok45.

Would your response be the same if he said he spent a few thousand dollars on an alarm system? What a sucker and a chicken shit - you've never been broken into! The argument that says people who own guns to protect their homes and families are cowards doesn't make any sense. What's hilarious is the "I am a tough guy and I'll just beat the shit out of anyone who breaks into my house" argument. So much more can go wrong in a "fair fight" than a one-sided gun fight and what if the intruder is armed? Its not fear it's logic - why give someone breaking into your house to rob and/or harm your family a fighting chance?

 

[jwlcosu]

If and when the 2nd amendment is changed/removed, I will gladly. Until then, I'll keep being a law abiding citizen. Blame your lawmakers, it's not my fault.

If a confiscation program were put in place would you remain law abiding?

 

[Michchamp]

If a confiscation program were put in place would you remain law abiding?

more right-wing fantasy.

 

[Michchamp]

Would your response be the same if he said he spent a few thousand dollars on an alarm system? What a sucker and a chicken shit - you've never been broken into! The argument that says people who own guns to protect their homes and families are cowards doesn't make any sense. What's hilarious is the "I am a tough guy and I'll just beat the shit out of anyone who breaks into my house" argument. So much more can go wrong in a "fair fight" than a one-sided gun fight and what if the intruder is armed? Its not fear it's logic - why give someone breaking into your house to rob and/or harm your family a fighting chance?

alarm systems aren't used to murder 20 school kids...

 

[Michchamp]

these are some of the worst analogies I've ever read.

how can otherwise educated adults believe some of this shit?

 

[Spartanmack]

alarm systems aren't used to murder 20 school kids...

that's not his argument. he's making the tough guy argument that you made (laughably) a few pages back. But since you bring it up, neither are guns in the hands of NRA members...

 

[Spartanmack]

these are some of the worst analogies I've ever read.

how can otherwise educated adults believe some of this shit?

and the award for least self aware poster on DSF goes too...

 

[Michchamp]

that's not his argument. he's making the tough guy argument that you made (laughably) a few pages back. But since you bring it up, neither are guns in the hands of NRA members...

:hmm:

I didn't bring that up.

 

[Spartanmack]

:hmm:

I didn't bring that up.

you quoted my post that was in response to it. try to keep up.

 

[Michchamp]

you quoted my post that was in response to it. try to keep up.

I still... :hmm:

... I mean, there is nothing in any of these posts blaming shootings on NRA members.

What are you even talking about?

 

[turok]

these are some of the worst analogies I've ever read.

how can otherwise educated adults believe some of this shit?

Dunning-Kruger syndrome.

Now the NRA's spokesgobblin Loathe is blaming Democrats for Ronnie Jackson's going from functional alcoholic to dysfunctional drunk.

Obama's admin never tried to pick him to head the VA...lolz.

Not that it isn't kinda outside of the scope of her ammosexual itinerary.

 

[Michchamp]

the Simpsons got it right (over 20 years ago):

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eh...

Me? I bought a shotgun solely for recreational purposes.

 

[Michchamp]

Dunning-Kruger syndrome.

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That is (reads about Dunning-Kruger)... wow. that's it alright.

 

[Spartanmack]

Looks like we actually have a tie for the least self aware posters on DSF. It's impossible to read your posts and not think of these guys...

 

[tinselwolverine]

That is (reads about Dunning-Kruger)... wow. that's it alright.

Unfortunately, we know from the more than 10,000 people who’ve taken the online quiz “How Do You React To Constructive Criticism?” that only 39% of employees handle constructive criticism by systematically dissecting every step leading up to the thing they just got criticized for. They don’t freak out or fight the feedback, instead, they want to understand and correct the underlying issues. Now, it’s not guaranteed that the other 61% are ensconced in Dunning-Kruger, but it’s worth being concerned that they may receive feedback similarly to Pat. Source.

So what's the benchmark that divides people with a syndrome from the majority of everybody else, who just isn't as good or smart as they think they are?

Kind of resembles the old Peter Principle.

EDIT: Here is a recent article on the Peter principle that compares it to Dunning-Kruger:

The only thing worse than an incompetent boss is one who thinks he’s a genius. Sadly, the two often go together.

Social psychologists David Dunning and Justin Kruger identified this all-too-frequent cognitive bias of “illusory superiority.” In a nutshell, the people who know the least are convinced they know the most.

Apparently, Quartz is a recently launched subsidiary of Atlantic Media, whose cornerstone publication is the renowned The Atlantic, formerly The Atlantic Monthly; from a Wikipedia footnote: ...the founding of the Atlantic Monthly in 1857. Initiated by Francis Underwood and with (James Russell) Lowell as its first editor, the magazine had been sponsored and organized by Lowell, (Ralph Waldo) Emerson, (Oliver Wendell) Holmes, and (Henry Wadsworth) Longfellow.