2020 Dem candidate

[sggatecl]

He's okay with having medicare for himself, but fuck everyone who doesn't currently qualify for it, or get health insurance through their employer (while still paying substantial premiums and deductibles for it) ... they can die or go bankrupt. Bring back debtor's prisons.

'Free' for me, not for thee.

 

[Spartanmack]

Bernie has already accounted for the shortage of doctors. He's going to re-train people that used to work in the abandoned oil refineries. :tup:

maybe all those roughnecks will come up with a cure for all their unemployed coal mining brethren dying of black lung disease. They can't be any worse than all them college educated physicians who haven't been able to get it done because all them whores care about is their evil profits. Or maybe letting those people die is part of his plan to reduce demand and costs.

 

[Spartanmack]

'Free' for me, not for thee.

not nearly as bad as the "good enough for thee, but not for me" hypocrites in Congress including Bernie Sanders forcing Obamacare down our throats and exempting themselves due to their taxpayer funded Cadillac plan.

Also, does anyone remember these whoppers under Obamacare:
- it will drive insurance costs down (LOLOLOLOLOLOL. no)
- if you like your plan, you can keep it (proven to be a known lie at the time)
- if you like your doctor, you can keep him/her (also proven to be a known lie at the time)

The idea that it was insurance companies and not the government that screwed this whole thing up and giving the government more control is the magical fix is beyond stupid. You literally have to be an imbecile to believe this garbage. The insurance companies were acting accordingly to a MASSIVE gift handed to them by the people they gave campaign contributions to when Congress basically had them draft the bill.

 

[sggatecl]

not nearly as bad as the "good enough for thee, but not for me" hypocrites in Congress including Bernie Sanders forcing Obamacare down our throats and exempting themselves due to their taxpayer funded Cadillac plan.

Also, does anyone remember these whoppers under Obamacare:
- it will drive insurance costs down (LOLOLOLOLOLOL. no)
- if you like your plan, you can keep it (proven to be a known lie at the time)
- if you like your doctor, you can keep him/her (also proven to be a known lie at the time)

The idea that it was insurance companies and not the government that screwed this whole thing up and giving the government more control is the magical fix is beyond stupid. You literally have to be an imbecile to believe this garbage. The insurance companies were acting accordingly to a MASSIVE gift handed to them by the people they gave campaign contributions to when Congress basically had them draft the bill.

I don't disagree with much of that at all. Obamacare in it's infancy looked promising but too much much pruning and "compromise" in order to ram it through Congress for legacy reasons ruined it for a lot of people.

Having said all that, I would not be covered by insurance because of pre existing conditions if it weren't for Obamacare. It was a saving grace for many people.

 

[JScottWriter]

I'm still waiting for Trump's plan, it's weird it's taking this long to release one. I guess he is still trying to figure out how he said everybody was going to be covered and it would be cheaper. I'm starting to think he was just talking out of his ass.

 

[Thumb]

Having said all that, I would not be covered by insurance because of pre existing conditions if it weren't for Obamacare. It was a saving grace for many people.

Careful man, you just made Sparty's hit-list for that comment, hurry and edit it to say it was the greatest evil ever perpetrated on the American public, and you might still be okay...

...sadly nothing can now save you from being added to tiggermuds "chicom" list.

RIP

 

[Thumb]

I'm still waiting for Trump's plan, it's weird it's taking this long to release one. I guess he is still trying to figure out how he said everybody was going to be covered and it would be cheaper. I'm starting to think he was just talking out of his ass.

I'm still waiting for his tax returns, assets in a blind trust, plan to make Mexico pay for the "wall", etc..

 

[JScottWriter]

I'm still waiting for his tax returns, assets in a blind trust, plan to make Mexico pay for the "wall", etc..

You mean the 3 billion the Pentagon just put towards the wall instead of for it's original purpose?

 

[sggatecl]

You mean the 3 billion the Pentagon just put towards the wall instead of for it's original purpose?

'bUt HoW wIlL wE pAy FoR iT ?!'

 

[tinselwolverine]

it's cute how the dems call it Medicare for all that sells much better but that's not what it actual is, it's single payer. it's not your pops Medicare.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIR5wdhjbj4

That?s a point.

Medicare isn?t single payer.

What does Medicare for all really even mean?

 

[Spartanmack]

I don't disagree with much of that at all. Obamacare in it's infancy looked promising but too much much pruning and "compromise" in order to ram it through Congress for legacy reasons ruined it for a lot of people.

Having said all that, I would not be covered by insurance because of pre existing conditions if it weren't for Obamacare. It was a saving grace for many people.

There are ways to fix that without making private insurance worse and more expensive. Obamacare was basically just a massive expansion of Medicare that also made private insurance worse and more expensive - unnecessarily. They could have expanded Medicare and taken care of the pre-existing condition problem without also destroying private insurance. But that wouldn't achieve their ultimate goal of either single payer or nationalizing healthcare. They want to be able to say the tried everything but it didn't work, so the only answer left is more government control, even though that's precisely the problem.

Government intervention and collusion with insurance and drug companies along with civil liability are the driving factors behind the increase in healthcare costs. Deregulating and reforming insurance are the way to go - competition will drive down costs without sacrificing innovation and reducing supply like you do with excess moronic regulation and price controls. And a government monopoly is even worse than what we currently have.

 

[Spartanmack]

Careful man, you just made Sparty's hit-list for that comment, hurry and edit it to say it was the greatest evil ever perpetrated on the American public, and you might still be okay...

...sadly nothing can now save you from being added to tiggermuds "chicom" list.

RIP

You should try paying attention - maybe you won?t end up saying so much stupid shit.

 

[Spartanmack]

America never should have left the Paris Climate Accord, we need a green new deal to show the world we are serious in taking the lead to prevent climate change and we're not all evil like Donald Trump with his anti-environmental policies. Oh wait.

Even though carbon emissions aren’t a real problem, after reading that we led the world in CO2 emission reduction while also reducing bad regulations and growing the economy, I have to say LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL to all the hysterical climate change morons freaking out that Trump and Republican policies are destroying the environment for future generations all in the name of corporate profits.

 

[Spartanmack]

I'm still waiting for his tax returns, assets in a blind trust, plan to make Mexico pay for the "wall", etc..

You mean the 3 billion the Pentagon just put towards the wall instead of for it's original purpose?

'bUt HoW wIlL wE pAy FoR iT ?!'

I know, right? Because record unemployment across all demographics, better trade deals, wage growth in the bottom quartiles faster than any other, a reduction in illegal border crossings, taking out top terrorists (plural) just to name a few isn't enough in his first three years especially since every President before him got their entire agendas wrapped up by this point in their first terms.

Why would anyone consider re-electing him? It's truly mind-bottling.

 

[Thumb]

I know, right? Because record unemployment across all demographics, better trade deals, wage growth in the bottom quartiles faster than any other, a reduction in illegal border crossings, taking out top terrorists (plural) just to name a few isn't enough in his first three years especially since every President before him got their entire agendas wrapped up by this point in their first terms.

Why would anyone consider re-electing him? It's truly mind-bottling.

Nice deflection.

 

[Thumb]

You should try paying attention - maybe you won?t end up saying so much stupid shit.

Thanks for the thoughtful advice, but I make it a point to never listen to anyone who has never once considered a point of view that was not his own.

 

[tomdalton22]

America never should have left the Paris Climate Accord, we need a green new deal to show the world we are serious in taking the lead to prevent climate change and we're not all evil like Donald Trump with his anti-environmental policies. Oh wait.

Even though carbon emissions aren?t a real problem, after reading that I have to say LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL to all the hysterical climate change morons freaking out that Trump and Republican policies are destroying the environment for future generations all in the name of corporate profits.

HOW DARE YOU!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVlRompc1yE

 

[Spartanmack]

Nice deflection.

Where facts = deflection. Nice deflection.

 

[Spartanmack]

Thanks for the thoughtful advice, but I make it a point to never listen to anyone who has never once considered a point of view that was not his own.

We both know that?s not true because you only listen to people like yourself who never once considered a point of view that was not the same as yours except you stubbornly hold onto those views when presented with facts that contradict them.

 

[Spartanmack]

HOW DARE YOU!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVlRompc1yE

Maybe she should take her own advice and just go back to school and be a kid - tel her dad to stop stealing her childhood by brainwashing her and using her as a tool for his own activist agenda. And maybe the left should start listening to the grown ups and let these kids be kids.