2021 Free Agency and Cap Cuts

[mhughes0021]

Id focus the FA $ on Defense and let the rest work itself out. FA Hassan Reddick would be my #1 target. This lb corps desperately lacks an OLB that can cover and rush. Hes both.

Fuck Golladay. He can be replaced by a 3rd - 4th rd WR this year. Too many holes to get into a bidding war with other teams for a guy that either stands on the sideline or cant create separation when hes on the field.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Id focus the FA $ on Defense and let the rest work itself out. FA Hassan Reddick would be my #1 target. This lb corps desperately lacks an OLB that can cover and rush. Hes both.

Fuck Golladay. He can be replaced by a 3rd - 4th rd WR this year. Too many holes to get into a bidding war with other teams for a guy that either stands on the sideline or cant create separation when hes on the field.

You don't just fall into consecutive 1,000 yard seasons and lead the league in TD's by accident. Don't need a bidding war. They can tag him. Same with some of the other issues I've mentioned.....but his value goes up by having other weapons around him. Actual good players, though......not Marvin Jones, Marvin Hall, Danny Amendola or Mohammed Sanu.

If they are in the win now mode, it makes no sense to let him walk. If they're going to do a complete rebuild.....tag and trade him. Letting him walk makes no sense unless you can't get a 3rd from somebody.

 

[Mitchrapp]

You don't just fall into consecutive 1,000 yard seasons and lead the league in TD's by accident. Don't need a bidding war. They can tag him. Same with some of the other issues I've mentioned.....but his value goes up by having other weapons around him. Actual good players, though......not Marvin Jones, Marvin Hall, Danny Amendola or Mohammed Sanu.

If they are in the win now mode, it makes no sense to let him walk. If they're going to do a complete rebuild.....tag and trade him. Letting him walk makes no sense unless you can't get a 3rd from somebody.

If he wants 20m after an injury that sidelined him 11 games.

The two years Golladay actually played, the players who had more than 1000 yards 29 players in '19 and 21 players in '18. It seems pretty easy to get 1000 yards.

 

[LKP]

If he wants 20m after an injury that sidelined him 11 games.

The two years Golladay actually played, the players who had more than 1000 yards 29 players in '19 and 21 players in '18. It seems pretty easy to get 1000 yards.

19 out of 128 WRS (top 4 on a team), 80 TEs. Around 9%. The market is what is now. Top WRs get 20 per

 

[Mitchrapp]

Now we're counting everyone, 9%, lol. Don't forget the fullbacks or blocking TE.

 

[mhughes0021]

You don't just fall into consecutive 1,000 yard seasons and lead the league in TD's by accident. Don't need a bidding war. They can tag him. Same with some of the other issues I've mentioned.....but his value goes up by having other weapons around him. Actual good players, though......not Marvin Jones, Marvin Hall, Danny Amendola or Mohammed Sanu.

If they are in the win now mode, it makes no sense to let him walk. If they're going to do a complete rebuild.....tag and trade him. Letting him walk makes no sense unless you can't get a 3rd from somebody.

Let me rephrase....i suggest letting him walk if hes demanding 18+ mil. In no way is 1 season of elite production worth that...especially comming off a full year where he was a dud.

To argue against your value point....his value drastically goes down in this years WR FA market. Robinson, juju, Davis, Fuller, Godwin and Golladay....they all want 18 mil and not all of them are going to get it. Not to mention the cap decrease. Those 2 factors mean his value goes down in this market imo.

Resign him if you can get a deal done for 12-14 mil a year. He demands 18 mil...nope. tag and trade.

 

[tomdalton22]

19 out of 128 WRS (top 4 on a team), 80 TEs. Around 9%. The market is what is now. Top WRs get 20 per

If he want's #1 money, you don't compare him to all WRs, compare him to the top 32. He has averaged about 70 yards per game not counting his rookie year. There were 21 players that averaged that or more this past season. Hell, Marvin Jones averaged 61 yards a game. So, KG's a mid to lower level #1. You don't give him $20M based on that. Good WRs are a dime a dozen coming out of college now. Draft somebody or get a lesser WR and spend the $20M on the defense.

 

[LKP]

If he want's #1 money, you don't compare him to all WRs, compare him to the top 32. He has averaged about 70 yards per game not counting his rookie year. There were 21 players that averaged that or more this past season. Hell, Marvin Jones averaged 61 yards a game. So, KG's a mid to lower level #1. You don't give him $20M based on that. Good WRs are a dime a dozen coming out of college now. Draft somebody or get a lesser WR and spend the $20M on the defense.

KG is proven number 1
Also it does't work that way
Some on rookie deals, some on older deals when market was less (see Evans, Adams, Thielen, Diggs etc)

KG just happens to be FA now. The market says 18-20 for number 1 WRs lately

We'll see what Holmes does. Golladay hip long term is a cause for concern

 

[tomdalton22]

KG is proven number 1
Also it does't work that way
Some on rookie deals, some on older deals when market was less (see Evans, Adams, Thielen, Diggs etc)

KG just happens to be FA now. The market says 18-20 for number 1 WRs lately

We'll see what Holmes does. Golladay hip long term is a cause for concern

well, it would be a mistake to sign him to $18-20M per year. It isn't hard to replace his production for a lot less money.

 

[LKP]

well, it would be a mistake to sign him to $18-20M per year. It isn't hard to replace his production for a lot less money.

Yes it is hard. Only 9% of WR/TEs do that.

KG is a good player. And tag and trade should happen at least. Or tag and keep if 198 million cap.

Letting him just walk would be dumb

Marvin Jones was 19th in yards for WRs (and 10th in TDS with 9, with 2 taken away by refs). Guess he is a good number 1 per your standards too. Yet you hate him. Just because he wears a Lions uniform you immediately underrate our weapons.

 

[mhughes0021]

Yes it is hard. Only 9% of WR/TEs do that.

KG is a good player. And tag and trade should happen at least. Or tag and keep if 198 million cap.

Letting him just walk would be dumb

Marvin Jones was 19th in yards for WRs (and 10th in TDS with 9, with 2 taken away by refs). Guess he is a good number 1 per your standards too. Yet you hate him. Just because he wears a Lions uniform you immediately underrate our weapons.

9% of WRS average 70 yds a game? Or are you cherry picking stats again?

 

[Mitchrapp]

Michael Thomas was a 2nd round pick. Stefan Diggs 5th round. Hopkins late 1st. Justin Jefferson too. Davante Adams 2nd round. Metcalf 2nd round. I could go on you can get good wide outs late 1st or 2nd or later. It used to be QB DE LT that go high in the draft, worth that pick. Those are the positions that change a teams fortune. And it should still be that way. That's why we suck.

 

[LKP]

Michael Thomas was a 2nd round pick. Stefan Diggs 5th round. Hopkins late 1st. Justin Jefferson too. Davante Adams 2nd round. Metcalf 2nd round. I could go on you can get good wide outs late 1st or 2nd or later. It used to be QB DE LT that go high in the draft, worth that pick. Those are the positions that change a teams fortune. And it should still be that way. That's why we suck.

Sigh. There are many 1sts, 2nd, 3rds etc that suck too. Cherry picking the few good ones doesn't prove anything. It's not easy to find when there are that many WRs in the league (over 150) and only around 20 with 1,000 yards

But it could be all Stafford too. Stafford made it work with several WRs. So if they keep Stafford, sign some mediocre WRs and they will look like number 1 WRs (Tate, Marvin, Golladay)

We all agree they need defense and run game. Lions can keep Stafford, franchise Golladay and still build the rest. They only help, they don't hinder

 

[Mitchrapp]

Sigh. There are many 1sts, 2nd, 3rds etc that suck too. Cherry picking the few good ones doesn't prove anything. It's not easy to find when there are that many WRs in the league (over 150) and only around 20 with 1,000 yards

But it could be all Stafford too. Stafford made it work with several WRs. So if they keep Stafford, sign some mediocre WRs and they will look like number 1 WRs (Tate, Marvin, Golladay)

We all agree they need defense and run game. Lions can keep Stafford, franchise Golladay and still build the rest. They only help, they don't hinder

It changes the fact that a WR doesn't need to be drafted high and no need to sign one for 18-20 mill on a 5 win team.

 

[LKP]

It changes the fact that a WR doesn't need to be drafted high and no need to sign one for 18-20 mill on a 5 win team.

Golladay wasn't drafted high. But a number 1 WR gets 18-20 per the market for WRs. You can try to get a 2nd or 3rd as good as Golladay but you are more than likely to fail than hit actually, no matter the GM. Many 2nd rounders don't hit 1000 yards

What you need to do
Is look at all 2nd/3rd rounders in the league. And see how many are 1,000 yarders. Hint, it's only 9 players 2nd round or later in the ENTIRE LEAGUE

 

[Mitchrapp]

He's not a number 1. And he apparently coming off a major injury missing all that time.

 

[Mitchrapp]

And as much I liked watching Calvin it would have been better if we just drafted Joe Thomas instead.

 

[tomdalton22]

Golladay wasn't drafted high. But a number 1 WR gets 18-20 per the market for WRs. You can try to get a 2nd or 3rd as good as Golladay but you are more than likely to fail than hit actually, no matter the GM. Many 2nd rounders don't hit 1000 yards

What you need to do
Is look at all 2nd/3rd rounders in the league. And see how many are 1,000 yarders. Hint, it's only 9 players 2nd round or later in the ENTIRE LEAGUE

26 different players that were drafted in the 2nd or later that had 1000+ yards over the past 2 seasons.

DK Metcalf
edelman
gallop
john brown
tyler lockett
diggs
hill
adams
thomas
godwin
K Allen
golladay
kupp
landry
robinson
woods
edelman
AJ Brown
tyler Boyd
DJ Chark
Mike Williams
Mclaurin
Robbie Anderson
Waller
Kelce
Kittle

 

[mhughes0021]

26 different players that were drafted in the 2nd or later that had 1000+ yards over the past 2 seasons.

DK Metcalf
edelman
gallop
john brown
tyler lockett
diggs
hill
adams
thomas
godwin
K Allen
golladay
kupp
landry
robinson
woods
edelman
AJ Brown
tyler Boyd
DJ Chark
Mike Williams
Mclaurin
Robbie Anderson
Waller
Kelce
Kittle

LKP: fucking internet and all of its facts and information comes back to bite me again.

Ya...so what Tom is saying is Golladay isnt special....he once of the 26 other players that have done the same. Only those players actually play....not obtain frequent flyer pelaton miles.

 

[LKP]

Lol 19 this year. 26 out of like 130 wrs so still around 9 percent

2020 was 9 percent. 9 percent is a fact

For every metcalf and golladay there is a shitty 2nd round pick

You guys always remember young and broyles. Surprised you guys conveniently forgot that

We know Golladay is good. We dont know some 2nd rounder is good. Especially as a rookie