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2024 Election

mhughes0021 said:
It's not debilitating.... they are perfectly fine working in the environment they are in without the pipeline. Again... they never had one before.

The truth is we will rely on less oil and gas in the near future. It's why the Saudis need to start building relationships with China. They know we won't need their oil soon... then all their Gold turns to poop.

Is the right thing to do because oil is not infinite. Here we are crying about the price of it. Guess what happens if I no longer need it. ..I could then care less how much it costs. I don't give a fuck about Saudis. I don't give a fuck about the oil industry and the companies that go bankrupt. Just like I don't give a thought to blockbuster.
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They didn't have a pipeline but they had one in their plans for the future - that matters. If you can't see that, you're not thinking about this the right way. And it's not just the pipeline, it's the sum total of the administration/Dem party's foolish energy policy. And it is debilitating - they're making it impossible to increase production, turning us from a net exporter to an importer where we rely on oil from our enemies.

We're a long way away from not relying on fossil fuels. It may be the right thing to do but we're not running out of oil right now and it's not going away for a long time. You won't be alive and it's likely your kids and grandkids won't be either when Americans stop caring about the price of oil. And anyone who says they care about getting off fossil fuels and isn't talking about nuclear isn't a serious person.

No one cares about oil companies, people aren't nostalgic for oil or oil companies. People care about paying their bills, putting food on the table and gas in their car and keeping their home heated/cooled.
 
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Looks like leftist former governor of New York Andrew Cuomo is not among the 72% of Americans...

Cuomo says the southern states were right and Biden is at fault for the border crisis worsening.
 
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Spartanmack said:
They didn't have a pipeline but they had one in their plans for the future - that matters. If you can't see that, you're not thinking about this the right way. And it's not just the pipeline, it's the sum total of the administration/Dem party's foolish energy policy. And it is debilitating - they're making it impossible to increase production, turning us from a net exporter to an importer where we rely on oil from our enemies.

We're a long way away from not relying on fossil fuels. It may be the right thing to do but we're not running out of oil right now and it's not going away for a long time. You won't be alive and it's likely your kids and grandkids won't be either when Americans stop caring about the price of oil. And anyone who says they care about getting off fossil fuels and isn't talking about nuclear isn't a serious person.

No one cares about oil companies, people aren't nostalgic for oil or oil companies. People care about paying their bills, putting food on the table and gas in their car and keeping their home heated/cooled.
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There's alot of context that you'd need to dive into to say if were net exporter of oil. Here's just a couple things that pop up in a search:

The United States hasn't been a net exporter of oil and oil products since World War II.Dec 20, 2022

The United States was a total petroleum net exporter in 2020 and 2021. In 2021, the United States exported about 8.54 million barrels per day (b/d) and imported about 8.47 million b/d of petroleum,1 making the United States an annual total petroleum net exporter for the second year in a row since at least 1949.Nov 2, 2022

Since 2018, however, the United States has been the largest producer of oil and gas in the world and a net exporter ? the country exports more than it imports.Oct 8, 2022

According to our February 2022 Short-Term Energy Outlook (STEO), we expect net crude oil imports to increase, making the United States a net importer of petroleum in 2022. A country is a net importer if it imports more of a commodity than it exports.

The bottom line is its a game. It's an asset... sometimes you sell it.... sometimes you don't. If you want to be relevant globally... you sell something the world needs. But i don't think it's this dire situation you're making it out to be or else we wouldn't be exporting 8.5 mil barrels a day. Being a net importer is fairly common.
 
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Here's the deal on Mccarthy imo. When you blast what the other side is doing... and basically call this country a big pile of shit. But you're in a position to change it... literally THE position to change it. But you don't talk to how you're going to change it. That bothers me. That to me just means youre trying to collect the brain dead. Those that don't think and will just pile on. That's dangerous in my opinion.

Let's face it... if he truly feels what he said is true.... it's his job not to change a damn thing over the next 2 years. That's his job... to do nothing and let it burn. To circle back to the thread title.... thats why politics divides and ruins this country.
 
mhughes0021 said:
There's alot of context that you'd need to dive into to say if were net exporter of oil. Here's just a couple things that pop up in a search:

The United States hasn't been a net exporter of oil and oil products since World War II.Dec 20, 2022

The United States was a total petroleum net exporter in 2020 and 2021. In 2021, the United States exported about 8.54 million barrels per day (b/d) and imported about 8.47 million b/d of petroleum,1 making the United States an annual total petroleum net exporter for the second year in a row since at least 1949.Nov 2, 2022

Since 2018, however, the United States has been the largest producer of oil and gas in the world and a net exporter ? the country exports more than it imports.Oct 8, 2022

According to our February 2022 Short-Term Energy Outlook (STEO), we expect net crude oil imports to increase, making the United States a net importer of petroleum in 2022. A country is a net importer if it imports more of a commodity than it exports.

The bottom line is its a game. It's an asset... sometimes you sell it.... sometimes you don't. If you want to be relevant globally... you sell something the world needs. But i don't think it's this dire situation you're making it out to be or else we wouldn't be exporting 8.5 mil barrels a day. Being a net importer is fairly common.
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Thanks for pointing out the fact that under Trump, due to his America First and Energy Independence policies, the US became a net exporter of oil for the first time since WWII and that killing the pipeline and future leases (which would have contributed to the growth in net exports), Biden has made us a net importer dependent on our adversaries at a time when oil prices are going through the roof.
 
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The oil companies are all swimming in record profits due to high prices.

Blaming Biden for that is missing the forest for the trees.

I haven't seen this mentioned here. and the White House has denied it, and the NYT and WaPo are of course ignoring it, but Hersh has a proven track record for honesty and accuracy in his reporting, and none of them do.

So... basically, oil companies are pissed Russia gets to ship cheap gas to Europe. Europe benefits. We don't. But it's not enough gas to do anything more than whine about it. (2005)

When a second Nord Stream pipeline moves past the planning stage (2011, but only completed in 2021) it becomes intolerable.

We stage a coup in Ukraine (2014), and use it to turn the country into a thorn in Russia's side. We tried to do the same thing in Belarus more recently. Forcing Russia to decide how much longer it will tolerate this meddling in its affairs.

We get a president (Trump) who temporarily takes a less aggressive posture on all this.

DC hates that. The defense contractors hate that. The Oil companies hate that. They toss him out in the next election.

Biden (previously involved in all sorts of unsavory business in Ukraine) comes back in, they goad the Russians into outright war, and force Europe - by threats and outright destroying the pipelines - to stop buying Russian oil and gas.

Supply go down. Price go up.

Oil companies (and arms manufacturers) rejoice.

Republican posters mad... but only because their guy didn't get to do this stuff?

Gasoline prices have gone back down; you can't be mad at Biden for raising them, and then lowering them. Well, you can, but whatever... you have no fucking idea what's going on, and your opinion or vote doesn't matter at all (to be fair, neither does mine... but I digress)

I remember gasoline prices going up a lot during Bush's term in office, but Conservatives went through all sorts of absurd contortions to avoid blaming the president in that case.
 
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I watched a cool video that went into Russian black sea shipments. How they no longer were insured so they basically had to create their own insurance. Blow up a 1 of those boats at it would cost Russia half billion and their insurance companies would dissolve. Seems like an easy enough target.

Sounds like you could also starve the entire population of crimea fairly easily by destroying shipment lanes thru Ukraine.

Not really sure what Ukraine is waiting for.... Russia clearly isn't holding back. Time to start hitting them where it hurts.
 
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mhughes0021 said:
I watched a cool video that went into Russian black sea shipments. How they no longer were insured so they basically had to create their own insurance. Blow up a 1 of those boats at it would cost Russia half billion and their insurance companies would dissolve. Seems like an easy enough target.

Sounds like you could also starve the entire population of crimea fairly easily by destroying shipment lanes thru Ukraine.

Not really sure what Ukraine is waiting for.... Russia clearly isn't holding back. Time to start hitting them where it hurts.
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Russia isn't holding back... except for like those several hundred thousand reservists they called up, their air force (really haven't used it), and that whole "biggest nuclear arsenal in the world" thing...

and they haven't like carpet bombed Ukrainian cities into rubble, like we did with Germany and Japan in WWII
 
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Russia isn't holding back... except for like those several hundred thousand reservists they called up, their air force (really haven't used it), and that whole "biggest nuclear arsenal in the world" thing...

and they haven't like carpet bombed Ukrainian cities into rubble, like we did with Germany and Japan in WWII
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that's because the Russians are the good guys, right. has nothing to do with technology and modern military capability or the fact that nobody carpet bombs cities or the fact that they know if they did carpet bomb cities, they'd be fighting the rest of the world and potentially starting a nuclear war.
 
Not sure what war you guys are watching. Cities have been turned to ruble. Civilian casualties greatly outnumber military. Not sure why it would matter how this is done... the fact is its being done. Not sure you classify it as holding back just cause it wasn't done with their air force. It's more likely they are being strategic about what resources they use so they can still invade Poland later.
 
mhughes0021 said:
Not sure what war you guys are watching. Cities have been turned to ruble. Civilian casualties greatly outnumber military. Not sure why it would matter how this is done... the fact is its being done. Not sure you classify it as holding back just cause it wasn't done with their air force. It's more likely they are being strategic about what resources they use so they can still invade Poland later.
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there hasn't been a lot of fighting in Ukraine's biggest cities. some smaller cities have been bombed-out from shelling. This is way less than what Russia is capable of doing militarily. And most of their longer range strikes have been on Ukrainian infrastructure... turning the lights out. Which is bad, but the intent seems to be making the Ukrainians leave, not killing them outright.

I don't trust our official casualty numbers. I don't trust anything our media says about this, and Russian media is similarly biased.

I do know that we overthrew the Russian-leaning president of Ukraine in 2014, and put US-leaning guys in charge and have been goading Ukraine into provoking Russia ever since then.

And it appears we just blew up Russia's gas pipelines to western Europe, which is pretty telling about who's pulling the strings here and why (to keep our European Allies dependent on our oil and gas industry).

It's funny watching the propaganda work on some people: in one breath, they'll tell you Biden is a dangerous socialist, extremist, woke, old, senile idiot who's agenda must be stopped before he destroys America... but then whatever is happening on his watch in Ukraine, you can rest assured our country is doing the right thing.

Always right, even when contradicting...
 
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