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4 elected to the HOF

manchild98

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Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez, John Smoltz and Craig Biggio have reached baseball immortality. They will be inducted into the Hall of Fame in July, after the Baseball Writers Association of America announced Tuesday that the four of them earned the necessary votes for Cooperstown.

This is the third time in history that the BBWAA has elected four players. The others were 1947 and 1955. Had one more player reached the 75-percent threshold, it would have been the largest BBWAA class since 1936, when the first Hall of Fame vote enshrined Babe Ruth, Ty Cobb, Honus Wagner, Christy Mathewson and Walter Johnson.

Johnson and Martinez, two dominant pitchers on the ballot for the first time, were elected easily, earning 97.3 percent of the vote and 91.1 percent, respectively. Smoltz, another first timer who was dominant as both a starting pitcher and a closer, received 82.9 percent. This was Biggio's third time on the ballot. He missed Cooperstown by two votes in 2014, but earned 82.7 percent of the vote this time, thanks in large part of those 3,000 hits he compiled.

Mike Piazza was believed to have a shot to make it this year, but he finished with 69.9 percent. Of the remaining players on the ballot this time, the next closest to reaching the magic 75-percent threshold were: Jeff Bagwell (55.7), Tim Raines (55) and Curt Schilling (39.2).

A few other notable results from the 549 ballots cast by BBWAA members:

? None of the players most closely tied to PEDs has swayed enough voters yet. Barry Bonds (36.8), Roger Clemens (37.5), Mark McGwire (10) and Sammy Sosa (6.6) still aren't close to reaching the Hall of Fame, but Bonds and Clemens were up slightly this year. We'll wrestle with that moral dilemma of the PED era for at least one more year, and probably more.

? Don Mattingly, who was in his final year of eligibility, received 9.1 percent of the vote. He'll have to depend on the veteran's committee to put him in the Hall of Fame, but even that doesn't seem too likely.

? The most notable player who didn't get the 5 percent vote necessary to remain on the ballot for next year is Carlos Delgado, who earned 3.8 percent, or 21 votes.

Also worth noting: Biggio will be the first player to be enshrined as a member of the Houston Astros. Johnson, if he chooses either the Arizona Diamondbacks or Seattle Mariners, would be the first player enshrined as a member of either team.
 
The hall of pitchers. This PED ban is stupid. You can't go and see Clemens, but you can see Smoltz. Who is going to visit the HOF to see smoltz and Biggio?
 
I certainly would pay homage to Smoltz or Biggio before Butthole Clemens.
 
I wouldn't go to the HOF if somebody drove me there and paid my admission.


Have you ever been?

I went with my Dad and two sons back in 1996. My sons were 15 and 13 back then. I certainly intend on going this summer, maybe with my two grandsons. I live about 2 1/2 hours away, so the drive isn't prohibitive for a day trip.
 
Have you ever been?

I went with my Dad and two sons back in 1996. My sons were 15 and 13 back then. I certainly intend on going this summer, maybe with my two grandsons. I live about 2 1/2 hours away, so the drive isn't prohibitive for a day trip.

no. I have no interest in the HOF. For me it is just a list of the greatest players. No reason to go look at the list or their uniforms, etc.
 
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The only HOF I was ever at was the bowling HOF. I'd love to see the baseball HOF. So far away..I was in NY several times when I was younger yet no visits..

Btw, the bowling HOF was pretty awesome.
 
Btw, I did visit a long time ago Dominoes Farms when the previous owner was there..got to see some Cobb memorabilia and other stuff, got to meet Kaline in person along with other former Tigers. That was pretty cool.
 
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The only HOF I was ever at was the bowling HOF. I'd love to see the baseball HOF. So far away..I was in NY several times when I was younger yet no visits..

Btw, the bowling HOF was pretty awesome.

Bowling HOF...WTF???
 
The only HOF I was ever at was the bowling HOF. I'd love to see the baseball HOF. So far away..I was in NY several times when I was younger yet no visits..

Btw, the bowling HOF was pretty awesome.

I've never been to one before either. My brother in-law and nephew went last year and loved it. I'm not a touristy type of dude but I do think I need to put the baseball hall of fame on the bucket list.
 
I guess that their war and XYZ stats were better than Clemens and Bonds respectively.

Their unaided PED stats were.

The hall is not for cheats, or accused cheats. If it was, then we have to go back and include the likes of Shoeless Joe Jackson and Pete Rose. Neither Jackson or Rose's infractions dealt with getting advantages over other players.
 
Their unaided PED stats were.

The hall is not for cheats, or accused cheats. If it was, then we have to go back and include the likes of Shoeless Joe Jackson and Pete Rose. Neither Jackson or Rose's infractions dealt with getting advantages over other players.

How many guys are in there that took greenies. Mike Schmidt links himself, Willie Mayes, and Willie Stargell to greenies. Kick them all out if you don't want any cheaters in there.
 
How many guys are in there that took greenies. Mike Schmidt links himself, Willie Mayes, and Willie Stargell to greenies. Kick them all out if you don't want any cheaters in there.

Taking Amphetamines has very little if any performance increase while playing sports. How do you even consider that cheating when there was no rule at that time against taking them? You are really reaching with your argument.
 
Taking Amphetamines has very little if any performance increase while playing sports. How do you even consider that cheating when there was no rule at that time against taking them? You are really reaching with your argument.

so you would be OK with a player being in the HOF if they used PEDs prior to 1991?
 
I have a strong dislike for the HOF for a multitude of reasons, 90% of them regarding the voters and voting process
 
First, I agree with Biggio being elected, but I also think it sends a pretty conflicting message.

Biggio was blocked on the first few ballots by writers who felt his numbers benefitted from Bagwell's suspected steroid use. Okay, I suppose it's AN argument, but not a good one. Saying he had inflated numbers because he hit in front of a possible juicer may be true, but it's thin, and you don't keep a guy out of the hall for that.

But then you get Piazza, who is being blocked because he is suspected of steroids. He's not Bonds, who we know took steroids (but claims he thought it was Flaxseed oil), or Clemens who we can be 99% sure took Steroids (based on multiple reports and witnesses) or McGwire who has openly admitted to using steroids.

Piazza, to the best of my knowledge, did not appear in the Mitchell report. He's never been linked to steroids. He's never pissed hot. He was just a big man, but a big man in an era where most big men were dirty.

I don't like keeping Bagwell or Piazza out based on suspicion alone... but then if you allow Biggio, you're really saying the "possibility" of inflated numbers isn't enough. So then don't you have to also say the "possibility" of juicing isn't enough?

It just seems like very circular logic to me.
 
First, I agree with Biggio being elected, but I also think it sends a pretty conflicting message.

Biggio was blocked on the first few ballots by writers who felt his numbers benefitted from Bagwell's suspected steroid use. Okay, I suppose it's AN argument, but not a good one. Saying he had inflated numbers because he hit in front of a possible juicer may be true, but it's thin, and you don't keep a guy out of the hall for that.

But then you get Piazza, who is being blocked because he is suspected of steroids. He's not Bonds, who we know took steroids (but claims he thought it was Flaxseed oil), or Clemens who we can be 99% sure took Steroids (based on multiple reports and witnesses) or McGwire who has openly admitted to using steroids.

Piazza, to the best of my knowledge, did not appear in the Mitchell report. He's never been linked to steroids. He's never pissed hot. He was just a big man, but a big man in an era where most big men were dirty.

I don't like keeping Bagwell or Piazza out based on suspicion alone... but then if you allow Biggio, you're really saying the "possibility" of inflated numbers isn't enough. So then don't you have to also say the "possibility" of juicing isn't enough?

It just seems like very circular logic to me.

I think you let them all in if they have the numbers. If they have undisputed evidence that they used steroids or other PEDs you put it on their plaque / bust (whichever they use)
 
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