About that Trump $1M/Warren DNA story going around

[Gulo Blue]

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1051853260309573632/video/1


He carries on for so long, but paraphrasing significantly (because he meanders), what he actually said was more like: Let's say I'm debating Pocahontas. I promise you I'll do this...in the middle of the debate, when she proclaims that she's of Indian heritage, I'll get one of those kits, we will very gently toss it, hoping it doesn't hit her, and we will say 'I will give you a million dollars to your favorite charity, paid for by Trump, if you take the test and it shows you?re an Indian.'

People are claiming he flatly said he'd pay the $1M, but he actually said that he would say that in a specific hypothetical situation. And that hypothetical never happened. It's technicality BS, but he loves that stuff.

 

[Spartanmack]

According to the article I read, she's at best 1/32nd native American and possibly as little as 1/512th. In my personal opinion, if you're holding someone, even Trump to coughing up a million based on that result, you're also engaging in technicality BS. Sorry, but even at 1/32, you're not an Indian.

 

[tinselwolverine]

According to the article I read, she's at best 1/32nd native American and possibly as little as 1/512th. In my personal opinion, if you're holding someone, even Trump to coughing up a million based on that result, you're also engaging in technicality BS. Sorry, but even at 1/32, you're not an Indian.

I think she had alway claimed it was a small percentage - didn?t it start because she claimed it on a college application years ago?

I don?t know what percentage would have counted as ?qualifying? to whomever was reviewing the application for whatever was being applied for.

 

[Michchamp]

According to the article I read, she's at best 1/32nd native American and possibly as little as 1/512th. In my personal opinion, if you're holding someone, even Trump to coughing up a million based on that result, you're also engaging in technicality BS. Sorry, but even at 1/32, you're not an Indian.

post the article you read, cockmaster

 

[tigermud]

.000001% apparently. impressive

 

[Mitchrapp]

I think she had alway claimed it was a small percentage - didn?t it start because she claimed it on a college application years ago?

I don?t know what percentage would have counted as ?qualifying? to whomever was reviewing the application for whatever was being applied for.

Don't you apply for something called a tribal card meaning tribal discounts? I heard even 100% Indians have trouble getting those.

 

[tigermud]

WARREN’S DNA TEST USED “MEXICO, PERU AND COLOMBIA” DNA AS NATIVE AMERICAN
It’s unclear how this methodology corroborates Warren’s specific claim of Cherokee descent

The researcher who examined Sen. Elizabeth Warren’s (D-Mass.) DNA test used DNA samples from “Mexico, Peru and Colombia” to “stand in” for Native American DNA in North America, according to the Boston Globe.

Detecting DNA for Native Americans is particularly tricky because there is an absence of Native American DNA available for comparison. This is in part because Native American leaders have asked tribal members not to participate in genetic databases.
o make up for the dearth of Native American DNA, Bustamante used samples from Mexico, Peru, and Colombia to stand in for Native American. That’s because scientists believe that the groups Americans refer to as Native American came to this land via the Bering Strait about 12,000 years ago and settled in what’s now America but also migrated further south. His report explained that the use of reference populations whose genetic material has been fully sequenced was designed “for maximal accuracy.”

It’s unclear how this methodology directly corroborates Warren’s claim of part Cherokee descent.

Interestingly, the Boston Globe later issued this correction at the bottom of its report:

Correction: Due to a math error, a story about Elizabeth Warren misstated the ancestry percentage of a potential 6th to 10th generation relative. The generational range based on the ancestor that the report identified suggests she’s between 1/64th and 1/1,024th Native American.

In addition, there’s no evidence that Warren would be eligible to join one of the big three federally-recognized Cherokee tribes.

To be recognized Cherokee by the Eastern Band of the Cherokee, the senator would have to be at least 1/16 Cherokee as calculated by an ancestor on the 1924 Baker Roll, and Warren’s results don’t meet that threshold.

“No DNA/blood testing is performed or acceptable for this calculation,” its site states.

The United Keetoowah Band of Cherokee has an even stricter threshold: a minimum blood quantum requirement of one quarter (1/4) degree Keetoowah Cherokee blood, which is ostensibly also calculated by an ancestor on a particular census roll.

And to join the Cherokee Nation, Warren would need to provide documentation of her direct ancestor listed on the Dawes Rolls of the tribe, which she hasn’t.

From America's #1 trusted news source
https://www.infowars.com/warrens-dna-test-used-mexico-peru-and-colombia-dna-as-native-american/

 

[Gulo Blue]

There was no indication that she claimed any status in her education, but she did list herself as a minority in a directory of law professors. Not a good look, but she claims she did it based on family stories and she did it in order to connect. It's a BS, egg on her face claim, but it shouldn't define her career either if she only ever used it in ways that make contacts and not in ways that earn admission or grants.


I think it's technically possible her story could be entirely true too. Before this, someone estimated, based on the family story, that she was 1/32. While that is outside of the range of 1/64 to 1/1024, I think, with women's DNA it's more difficult to get the entire picture and finding 1 ancestor in the 6-10 generation range doesn't mean there wasn't someone else that just didn't turn up. "Cherokee and Delaware heritage" could imply more than one ancestor.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Detecting DNA for Native Americans is particularly tricky because there is an absence of Native American DNA available for comparison. This is in part because Native American leaders have asked tribal members not to participate in genetic databases.
o make up for the dearth of Native American DNA, Bustamante used samples from Mexico, Peru, and Colombia to stand in for Native American.

Well, also, the indigenous peoples of Mexico, Peru and Columbia weren't slaughtered to near extinction levels, the way the indigenous peoples of the United States and its territories were.

So...there's that.

 

[Spartanmack]

post the article you read, cockmaster

it's from your team - a Boston Globe article posted on msn.com. Go find it yourself, bitch. Then come back and shoot some holes in it - I'd love to hear you defend how one of the whitest women in the senate is a legit oppressed minority. It's been at least 3 days since you've said something dumb enough to make me laugh.

 

[Spartanmack]

I think she had alway claimed it was a small percentage - didn’t it start because she claimed it on a college application years ago?

I don’t know what percentage would have counted as “qualifying” to whomever was reviewing the application for whatever was being applied for.

As I recall, she claimed it in her Harvard Law bio so they could claim their faculty was diverse in order to please the diversity for diversity's sake idiots like MC because as they all know, diversity of skin color and gender, not diversity of ideas, is what matters

 

[Spartanmack]

Well, also, the indigenous peoples of Mexico, Peru and Columbia weren't slaughtered to near extinction levels, the way the indigenous peoples of the United States and its territories were.

So...there's that.

tell that to the Aztecs.

 

[tomdalton22]

As I recall, she claimed it in her Harvard Law bio so they could claim their faculty was diverse in order to please the diversity for diversity's sake idiots like MC happy because as we all know, diversity of skin color and gender, not diversity of ideas, is what matters

look different but think the same :clap:

 

[sggatecl]

tell that to the Aztecs.

Weren't the Mayans in Mexico? I'm sure there are others.

 

[tigermud]

Well, also, the indigenous peoples of Mexico, Peru and Columbia weren't slaughtered to near extinction levels, the way the indigenous peoples of the United States and its territories were.

So...there's that.

Nobody alive today was around when all that went down, are we suppose to all feel guilty and throw ourselves into the sea or something

 

[sggatecl]

Nobody alive today was around when all that went down, are we suppose to all feel guilty and throw ourselves into the sea or something

I wonder if people will have that same shitty attitude in 50 years about the Jews?

 

[sggatecl]

.000001% apparently. impressive

Your math is on Alex Jones level shittiness but I get your point.

According to the article I read, she's at best 1/32nd native American and possibly as little as 1/512th. In my personal opinion, if you're holding someone, even Trump to coughing up a million based on that result, you're also engaging in technicality BS. Sorry, but even at 1/32, you're not an Indian.

It's all irrelevant anyways, Trump has denied ever saying it. ?I didn?t say that. You better read it again.? Trump said to a reporter this morning. So no worries, it was just liberal, deep state video alterations and CGI.

 

[tigermud]

I wonder if people will have that same shitty attitude in 50 years about the Jews?

So why people feel the need to bring it up in the first place?, seriously WTF am I supposed to do about that hundreds of years later that I nor any of thy memorable past generational ancestors had anything to do with.

 

[sggatecl]

She'd do well to put this whole thing behind her, especially if she's running in 2020. The percentage of Native American she's claiming in the test was probably not enough to change the opinion of a single Trump voter. I honestly don't know if this does more good than bad. She obviously wasn't lying, but in my opinion it certainly doesn't kill any negative image that she helped cultivate by letting it drag out this long.

 

[Spartanmack]

Weren't the Mayans in Mexico? I'm sure there are others.

mostly central America, by today's map Honduras, El Salvador, etc but I think they were in SE Mexico too. We're splitting hairs though since those borders didn't exist when, if you are dumb enough to fall for the Ward Churchill, Howard Zinn revisionist history, the vastly more evil white man came along, slaughtered everyone wholesale and ruined everything in perpetuity.