Academic Integrity in Columbus

[TheVictors]

https://apnews.com/b5e882760a77dd0e1ff0abdc66f6bcba

?Student? athletes....

Can?t remember who called this a week or two ago.

 

[tomdalton22]

I am torn on the issue. This upcoming semester, all 4 of my son's classes are on line. He won't have to set a foot on campus.

 

[gotime909]

Well it's not 1987

 

[tinselwolverine]

I download AP app from that article, and as I did I thought to myself “AP app...”

Kinda weird, right? AP app?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=33GrAojJMXE

 

[rumseyhouse77]

I am torn on the issue. This upcoming semester, all 4 of my son's classes are on line. He won't have to set a foot on campus.

The lost semester. The university experience is incomplete if you don't interact with faculty and other students in person. If you only take online courses you will not fully get what the university has to offer. You could be enrolled at any university! Does University of Phoenix have a football team? Why not?

But being realistic, most college football and basketball players at major universities haven't been real students since probably the 1950s. Michigan, and a very few others, being the exception.

 

[TheVictors]

No it's not 1987 but other schools have much different policy regarding on-line, and specifically with respect to athletes. I got my Master's Degree in 2005 and benefited from the flexibility of on-line for some classes/subjects and because I was a full-time, traveling Professional with a wife. But the classes I opted to take on-line were because the content allowed me to study and complete at my own convenience and I get that.


someone ...wolverine24? or another reg said a couple weeks ago in a post that kids (Fields by name) are only on-line these days because in reality, they're not serious students at all and just enrolled as a formality.

 

[tomdalton22]

I got my Master's Degree in 2005 and benefited from the flexibility of on-line for some classes/subjects and because I was a full-time, traveling Professional with a wife. But the classes I opted to take on-line were because the content allowed me to study and complete at my own convenience and I get that.

one could argue that athletes at major universities are traveling professionals as well.

 

[TheVictors]

one could argue that athletes at major universities are traveling professionals as well.

agreed. but they're also given resources and advantages that the typical traveling professional would never have, so it begs the question a bit. if you can play football at osu and never actually enter a classroom, what's the point? You likely won't go Pro but even in that case, you will have a job waiting for you whether you can read or not.




But if you can't read and you're in the 99% that don't go Pro, are you really prepared for adult life without the pampering of D-1 football?

 

[tomdalton22]

agreed. but they're also given resources and advantages that the typical traveling professional would never have, so it begs the question a bit. if you can play football at osu and never actually enter a classroom, what's the point? You likely won't go Pro but even in that case, you will have a job waiting for you whether you can read or not.




But if you can't read and you're in the 99% that don't go Pro, are you really prepared for adult life without the pampering of D-1 football?

I would bet that the majority of DI athletes know that they are going to school to get a degree and they have no shot at a career in professional sports. This includes the majority of football players at OSU, UM, Etc. It's the outliers...the 4 and 5 star athletes that go to school as a "stepping stone" to their ultimate goal of becoming a professional. Some of them don't make it and leave without a degree...but most of them weren't going to become anything anyway.

 

[rumseyhouse77]

I can't say that I have known any kids that were good enough to compete as DI athletes, but I bet that the majority of those that play football or basketball come in thinking they are gonna take a shot and see if they can make it into the pros. Just like the majority of biology majors come in thinking they are going to go to medical school, until they get into the upper level courses and realize that shit is hard and demands all of their attention and effort. I would also bet that the majority of the kids coming in to play DI football or basketball actually have a more realistic understanding of their chances of a professional career than the majority of biology majors do of their chances of becoming physicians.

I would also bet that if OSU had the same academic standards as Michigan (and no online classes), Fields wouldn't be at OSU.

 

[hungry]

Do we think Fields has what it takes to be a starter in the NFL? I'm not talking any trash here, so don't take it the wrong way, but I don't really see it. I see a really good college QB. but I don't see the tools necessary to make it in the NFL. I guess he might get drafted and get an initial contract. Hopefully, he invests that money well.

 

[gotime909]

Do we think Fields has what it takes to be a starter in the NFL? I'm not talking any trash here, so don't take it the wrong way, but I don't really see it. I see a really good college QB. but I don't see the tools necessary to make it in the NFL. I guess he might get drafted and get an initial contract. Hopefully, he invests that money well.

Other than playing for osu, what dont you like about his game? All the rankings and mocks for next year that I've seen have him being drafted right after Trevor Lawrence. Obviously a lot can change, but he certainly didnt do anything on the field to make anyone think hes not the real deal.

 

[tomdalton22]

I would also bet that if OSU had the same academic standards as Michigan (and no online classes), Fields wouldn't be at OSU.

almost all universities lower their standards for athletes. There are guys on the UM football and men's B-ball teams that couldn't even get into OSU on their academic merits alone...let alone UM

 

[tinselwolverine]

almost all universities lower their standards for athletes. There are guys on the UM football and men's B-ball teams that couldn't even get into OSU on their academic merits alone...let alone UM

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xKwapu7_VDc

 

[hungry]

Other than playing for osu, what dont you like about his game? All the rankings and mocks for next year that I've seen have him being drafted right after Trevor Lawrence. Obviously a lot can change, but he certainly didnt do anything on the field to make anyone think hes not the real deal.

He's like 5'8". He has speed in college, but in the NFL, he does not. The NFL is a different animal...obviously.

When has Ohio State put a successful QB in the NFL?

 

[gotime909]

He's like 5'8". He has speed in college, but in the NFL, he does not. The NFL is a different animal...obviously.

When has Ohio State put a successful QB in the NFL?

He's 6'3" 225. You ever even seen him play?

 

[hungry]

He's 6'3" 225. You ever even seen him play?

Don't talk to me

WWE weights don't count.

 

[gotime909]

Don't talk to me

WWE weights don't count.

Dobbins must be 4'10

 

[tinselwolverine]

Dobbins must be 4'10

If that?s the case, if the NFL doesn?t work out, he could have a great career ahead of him in politics.

Oh shit... I failed to include the clip earlier...it makes a difference.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D7_yixyy9ts

 

[bphillips4gg]

He's 6'3" 225. You ever even seen him play?

I've seen him play. I've seen him throw short to intermediate passes to receivers with world class speed, usually playing against defenses composed of 2 and 3 star talent, who then run after the catch a bunch and inflate his numbers. That can't be all you do in the NFL.

Back to the topic at hand, you would like to think that the kids who do not have a shot or are borderline prospects for the NFL would realize that, but I don't think that they do. Watch 1 episode of Last Chance U and you will see what I'm talking about. Kids with talent that have been catered to their entire lives and even with personal tutors on campuses with nothing around to distract them and they still struggle to get through their classes.

The academics are meant to help you in your career but nobody tells these kids that they aren't going to make it in the NFL, they are being told the exact opposite by all of the adults their entire lives so they don't think they will need school and don't take it seriously. Taking 100% online classes is just 1 more step in that direction.

Look no further than Mr. "We Ain't Come to play school". He spent 3 years in the NFL and now he is in the XFL. He is not going to make enough money from playing football to last his entire life yet he publicly announced that he doesn't give a shit about getting an education. He was the 3rd or 4th string QB at that time and still had that mentality. And then he goes out and throws a bunch of jump balls in 3 straight games that his receivers somehow always come down with and everyone was talking about him leaving early for the NFL after starting 3 gd games in college.

To his credit, he seemed to have seen the error in his ways by then and talked about how important it was to him to finish school and get his degree, so he figured it out, but it's a pretty good example of how most of the kids in college football think. If the 4th string QB doesn't take it seriously, why in the hell would the starter if he's constantly being talked about as a 1st round pick? Especially when the adults in the situation are saying that he should take online classes to work around his football schedule when it's supposed to be the other way around.