AL Cy Young

[zoombabyzoom]

Who wins? I have been reading articles and surprisingly its locked between Price/Verlander with a few Weaver arguments mixed in.

 

[pr0tege]

You know I previously thought David would more then likely be the likely choice however when you consider how many voters are putting so much emphasis on WAR this gives Verlander a sizable advantage. Now as well you have to factor in he is the reigning CY Young and MVP AND although its not as important as MVP the Tigers actually made the playoffs.

I think it will indeed be a close vote for sure but I think Verlander garters enough votes to win this year.

Prediction:
1st - Verlander
2nd - Price
3rd - Rodney
4th - Weaver
5th - Sale
6th - Scherzer

 

[hellifino]

Price
Weaver
JV

 

[tomdalton22]

You know I previously thought David would more then likely be the likely choice however when you consider how many voters are putting so much emphasis on WAR this gives Verlander a sizable advantage. Now as well you have to factor in he is the reigning CY Young and MVP AND although its not as important as MVP the Tigers actually made the playoffs.

I think it will indeed be a close vote for sure but I think Verlander garters enough votes to win this year.

Prediction:
1st - Verlander
2nd - Price
3rd - Rodney
4th - Weaver
5th - Sale
6th - Scherzer

Sherzer 6th? Homer pick!!!

 

[Mitchrapp]

Travesty if JV doesn't win. If you take away records, which a lot is contributed by the offense (something JV can't control), he's clearly the winner.

 

[tomdalton22]

Travesty if JV doesn't win. If you take away records, which a lot is contributed by the offense (something JV can't control), he's clearly the winner.

Travisty could be the over statement of the year. Price, Weaver and Rodney are right there IMO. As much as I hate Rodney I think he is having an excellent year. 47 saves, 0.78 WHIP and an ERA of 0.61

 

[Mitchrapp]

Price and Weaver aren't even close. JV has been better, especially over Weaver. All he has is the 20 wins but that means little.

 

[tomdalton22]

Price and Weaver aren't even close. JV has been better, especially over Weaver. All he has is the 20 wins but that means little.

You are right....who needs wins?

I am being sarcastic....I know that wins depend on other factors....but you can't discount them all together. Weaver is close but I would give the edge to JV. Price is VERY close having a better ERA, WHIP and 20 wins. Rodney is also very close even though he is a closer....it's hard to compare the two. I guess you calling it a TRAVISTY is why I posted the other guys that are very close.

EDIT: I see Price has a little higher WHIP

 

[Mitchrapp]

Ever since King won with his 14-15 wins even voters don't get concerned with it. And don't forget JV's big edge in Innings/Pitches. They should matter. More than 55 innings over Weaver. That's basically 6 complete games more. That's huge.

 

[johnny2x2x]

I think it's betweeen JV and Price, but don't both Price and Weaver have 1 start left?

 

[hellifino]

I think it's betweeen JV and Price, but don't both Price and Weaver have 1 start left?

Weaver has 1 start left Wednesday, Price is done I think.

 

[Mitchrapp]

And no doubt you'll get the ones who won't vote for JV based on the fact he wasn't as dominate as last season. But it was close. I also saw an article that says Miguel doesn't deserve MVP because statistically he wasn't as good as the last two years, just BS.

 

[tomdalton22]

And no doubt you'll get the ones who won't vote for JV based on the fact he wasn't as dominate as last season. But it was close. I also saw an article that says Miguel doesn't deserve MVP because statistically he wasn't as good as the last two years, just BS.

I agree they shouldn't vote based on what that player has done in the prior years....it is the 2012 MVP & CY and they should be compared to what other players have done THIS year.

 

[byco42]

I agree they shouldn't vote based on what that player has done in the prior years....it is the 2012 MVP & CY and they should be compared to what other players have done THIS year.

Denny McLain repeated as a CY winner (tied with Mike Cuellar) in 1969 after going "only" 24-9.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Denny McLain repeated as a CY winner (tied with Mike Cuellar) in 1969 after going "only" 24-9.

Yep. But today's voters, IMO, are stupid.

 

[alanclark]

All right, so it isn't last year anymore. I've noticed that. So Justin Verlander hasn't been quite as Gibson-Koufax-Christy Mathewson-esque as he was last year. I've noticed that, too. But that doesn't mean this man still hasn't been the best pitcher in the sport, the ultimate ace and the most deserving winner of this award. It just means it hasn't been anywhere near as clear-cut. David Price is 20-5 and leads the league in ERA. Jered Weaver is 20-4 and leads the league in WHIP. I expect both of them to get lots of votes. Chris Sale, Felix Hernandez and the bullpen monster known as Fernando Rodney (he of the 0.61 ERA) have been terrific. I expect all three of them to show up on many, many ballots. But who's the best pitcher alive? It's still Justin Verlander.

Did you know that he didn't allow a single home run to an opposing cleanup hitter all season? (They slugged .297 against him.) Did you know that in his 13 starts against teams that appear bound for the postseason, plus the White Sox, he went 8-1, with a 1.81 ERA? Did you know that he actually gets more unhittable in the last three innings of a game (.194/.251/.265) than he is in the first three innings (.216/.271/.345)? All 100 percent true facts, ladies and gentlemen.

But what gives him just the slightest edge over Price and Weaver, for me, is this: Their ERAs, WHIPs and Opponent OPS numbers are almost inseparable. But Verlander has compiled his stats with a much heavier workload. He's faced 120 more hitters than Price and 224 more than Weaver. He's had to reach back to throw 436 more pitches than Price and 936 more than Weaver. And that, friends, is what Cy Youngs do. They take on the responsibility of acehood in a way other pitchers don't. They save their bullpens. They get better as the moments get bigger. They reach for the sky when other pitchers are reaching for the shower knobs.

It's what Justin Verlander does better than any starter on the planet. And it's what ought to make him, from this vantage point, the first AL pitcher to win back-to-back Cy Youngs since Pedro Martinez (in 1999-2000).

 

[mjsb2]

JV should be the unanimous winner, nobody really has a good argument over him.

 

[tomdalton22]

JV should be the unanimous winner, nobody really has a good argument over him.

That's just the homer in you. There are 2 or 3 guys that are deserving of consideration.

 

[mjsb2]

That's just the homer in you. There are 2 or 3 guys that are deserving of consideration.

Nope.

Price is the closest, and he really has no argument in his favor other than wins, which means he really has no argument in his favor.

 

[Mitchrapp]

No there aren't. Alan's post above says what a lot of us are thinking and what I mentioned above. Don't discount the big edge in IP and pitches thrown. He's horse, the biggest horse and when you need to go deep he's the guy.