Big primary upset in NYC

[tinselwolverine]

they're saying in Colorado, Maggie Sirota (wife of journalist David Sirota) also beat an establishment Dem.

in a hilarious twist, Planned Parenthood supported her opponent and tried to label her "pro life" (she's not) simply because she supported Planned Parenthood's workers' union drive, which PP had even reached out to Trump's NLRB (!!!!) to quash.

here's a write up... in breitbart of all places. link.

strange bedfellows...

Partisans love to talk about ?ugly civil wars? happening on the other side.

And of course, cynics love to talk about ugly civil wars happening on both sides.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Part of her platform is "a Green New Deal". That puts me solidly in her camp. She can be wrong about a lot of thing, but I want more voices saying this.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Part of her platform is "a Green New Deal". That puts me solidly in her camp. She can be wrong about a lot of thing, but I want more voices saying this.

She?s going to be a freshman Congress person. She?s not going to be very important right away.

 

[Gulo Blue]

She?s going to be a freshman Congress person. She?s not going to be very important right away.

Yeah. But with that kind of success out of the blue like that, she might question those limitations. Someone had to have told her that winning that primary was impossible too. She won't have much political power, but how much of a voice you have doesn't entirely depend on that anyway.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Yeah. But with that kind of success out of the blue like that, she might question those limitations. Someone had to have told her that winning that primary was impossible too. She won't have much political power, but how much of a voice you have doesn't entirely depend on that anyway.

Things in the House are going to be stacked against her doing much early vastly more than they were in the primary.

In the primary all she had to do was get more votes than one other candidate.

The rules in the House are all about seniority. She starts at the bottom regarding committee appointments, and pretty much everything else, and that's all set in stone.

Now - she's a news story and charismatic; she can go on TV as often they'll have her and maybe make a name for herself and can fast track her political career that way; Kasich and McCain and Biden and Lieberman were all on TV all the time early in their careers, years and years ago.

Maybe she can fast track her way a little bi to running for Schumer or Gillibrand's seat when they step aside, or even Governor of New York one day, or maybe a White House position the next time a Democrat is elected president.

But none of that will happen right away, and her being influential in the House right away won't either. Instead of beating one she'll be having to deal with 434 other people with their own agendas and every one of them will be against her to a greater or lesser degree - half for partisan reasons and the other half because she represents a threat to their own ambitions.

EDIT: Now, she does have one thing going for her that virtually nobody else in Congress has - you know the current president is gonna wanna tap that. I think she's single, so she could use that to her advantage if she wants to, I guess.

 

[Michchamp]

She?s going to be a freshman Congress person. She?s not going to be very important right away.

I agree. but more than accomplishing legislation, which will be a big hill to climb, she (and others, if elected) will help moved the all-important Overton Window, (link) which Republicans have successfully moved right (i.e. regressively) for decades.

For example, it didn't use to be acceptable for a president to say and do the things Trump does. Nazis & white supremacists used to be unambiguously bad, not just "one side of a reasonable argument"

 

[Mitchrapp]

EDIT: Now, she does have one thing going for her that virtually nobody else in Congress has - you know the current president is gonna wanna tap that. I think she's single, so she could use that to her advantage if she wants to, I guess.

Lol.

 

[tinselwolverine]

I agree. but more than accomplishing legislation, which will be a big hill to climb, she (and others, if elected) will help moved the all-important Overton Window, (link) which Republicans have successfully moved right (i.e. regressively) for decades.

For example, it didn't use to be acceptable for a president to say and do the things Trump does. Nazis & white supremacists used to be unambiguously bad, not just "one side of a reasonable argument"

I don't think that Nazis and white supremacists have become one side of a reasonable argument; that said, isn't the window expanding what's acceptable in every direction? As Bernie and lil' Alejandrita move discussions of socialism more to the mainstream, doesn't Trump move just being an asshole also to the mainstream?

I can't believe I can't find the clip on the internet, but years ago, when I was young, there was this SNL character who did a lot of sketches; in one of them he described a planet that was on a direct trajectory towards the earth, but at the same time, it was also on a direct trajectory going away from the earth - the coming and going planet.

That's kinda what the Overton thing reminds me of these days.

 

[TheVictors]

they're saying in Colorado, Maggie Sirota (wife of journalist David Sirota) also beat an establishment Dem.

in a hilarious twist, Planned Parenthood supported her opponent and tried to label her "pro life" (she's not) simply because she supported Planned Parenthood's workers' union drive, which PP had even reached out to Trump's NLRB (!!!!) to quash.

here's a write up... in breitbart of all places. link.

strange bedfellows...

Jared Polis - openly gay congressional member from Boulder won the DEM primary for the GOV race, in looking to follow Hickenlooper ...who many expect to make a run at the national level in 2020.


And the likely REP candidate for GOV is the heir of former Denver mayor Stapleton who was openly involved in the KKK in the 20's while in office. There is a development named after him called Stapleton that is controversial given his background.


Now Walker Stapleton is running a TV ad that claims an "illegal immigrant" who "invaded" the US and CO murdered someone and he will put an end to all these "sanctuary cities" immediately and support Trump wholeheartedly.


Given the state population growth and shift, I do not expect someone aligning himself with Trump so closely to carry a state that went for HRC in 2018 and is now packed with younger, more moderate to left leaning voters.


He's a spiteful person and even looks like an asshole.


https://www.9news.com/article/news/...pleton-oversells-trump-bonafides/73-552783045

 

[Spartanmack]

You realize ICE didn't exist for the first 225 years of our nation's history, and we got along just fine policing immigration with INS and federal marshalls, right?

You also realize that we're not being "invaded" by immigrants now, and Trump just made that shit up, right?

And you yourself admitted that ending the drug war would be the most effective way to address these issues, not by more brutal policing.

The government can print money; the idea it needs to have a balanced budget is made up shit, and hypocritically only trotted out when discussions of government spending that doesn't benefit the rich or the military start. you've realized that by now, right?

No one ever asks "Who's going to pay for this?" when we want to bomb someone or give corporate America or the 1% a tax cut. you've also noticed that by now, right?

what people should be noticing is you like to make up a lot of shit that isn't true - like all the garbage in this post.

 

[Spartanmack]

Out of nowhere. Here she is tending bar 7.5 month ago.

https://twitter.com/JStein_WaPo/status/1011791408162799618/photo/1


At least her degree is in economics. Interesting for a "everything should be free for everybody" candidate.

why is that surprising? plenty of universities teach socialist economics and plenty of idiots get degrees believing it's not a completely failed system.

 

[Michchamp]

Jared Polis - openly gay congressional member from Boulder won the DEM primary for the GOV race, in looking to follow Hickenlooper ...who many expect to make a run at the national level in 2020.


And the likely REP candidate for GOV is the heir of former Denver mayor Stapleton who was openly involved in the KKK in the 20's while in office. There is a development named after him called Stapleton that is controversial given his background.


Now Walker Stapleton is running a TV ad that claims an "illegal immigrant" who "invaded" the US and CO murdered someone and he will put an end to all these "sanctuary cities" immediately and support Trump wholeheartedly.


Given the state population growth and shift, I do not expect someone aligning himself with Trump so closely to carry a state that went for HRC in 2018 and is now packed with younger, more moderate to left leaning voters.


He's a spiteful person and even looks like an asshole.


https://www.9news.com/article/news/...pleton-oversells-trump-bonafides/73-552783045

Looks like an asshole, talks like an asshole, openly lies about easily refuted things... like Trump... or an asshole.

 

[Gulo Blue]

why is that surprising? plenty of universities teach socialist economics and plenty of idiots get degrees believing it's not a completely failed system.

It's not a left/right thing. I expect econ majors to be more tempered. Not on the extremes.

 

[TheVictors]

Looks like an asshole, talks like an asshole, openly lies about easily refuted things... like Trump... or an asshole.

Funny thing to me is he touts himself as a "4th Generation Colorado Native" ...which is what I am. And while his family was parading around in white hoods and attending Klan rallies, my family was building a bank, a Cathedral, the Denver Botanical Gardens and Denver Symphony Orchestra. Though all that's left of my family's legacy is the Bank - now converted by Marriott/Renaissance into a hotel that still bears the family name and a lot of Bank History - my family's legacy whips his ass!


Perhaps I should run for Governor...:cheers:

 

[Michchamp]

what people should be noticing is you like to make up a lot of shit that isn't true - like all the garbage in this post.

looks like somebody woke up on the wrong side of the bed today.

 

[Michchamp]

Funny thing to me is he touts himself as a "4th Generation Colorado Native" ...which is what I am. And while his family was parading around in white hoods and attending Klan rallies, my family was building a bank, a Cathedral, the Denver Botanical Gardens and Denver Symphony Orchestra. Though all that's left of my family's legacy is the Bank - now converted by Marriott/Renaissance into a hotel that still bears the family name and a lot of Bank History - my family's legacy whips his ass!


Perhaps I should run for Governor...:cheers:

Do it!

 

[TheVictors]

Do it!

I've actually raised the topic of City Council or something more "entry level" for politics, but the Mrs TheVictors is wholeheartedly opposed to any such idea.

 

[tinselwolverine]

It's not a left/right thing. I expect econ majors to be more tempered. Not on the extremes.

The mother in How I Met Your Mother was an Econ major.

Although, as the daughter (and son) point out in the final scene of the series, the show/story was never really about their mother at all:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW82fRNJc84

 

[tinselwolverine]

Now Walker Stapleton is running a TV ad that claims an "illegal immigrant" who "invaded" the US and CO murdered someone and he will put an end to all these "sanctuary cities" immediately and support Trump wholeheartedly.
https://www.9news.com/article/news/...pleton-oversells-trump-bonafides/73-552783045

The concept/function of the sanctuary city has changed dramatically since it was introduced right here in Los Angeles by none other than the great/notorious - depends on who you ask - maybe he was both - LAPD Chief Bill Gates.

Special order 40 was put into place by Gates as a measure to allow victims of crimes who may have been illegal/undocumented aliens - again, depends on who you ask - to report crimes that had been committed against them without fear of being deported - simply, victims simply weren't asked about their residency status when making a complaint of throughout any prosecution process.

Now - here in California - the legislature and Jerry Brown put into place a law forbidding local law enforcement to cooperate with federal agents in the federal government's attempts to deport illegal aliens who have committed crimes here who may be currently in the custody of local law enforcement.

But in a kicker - individual cities and counties are now making the decision on the local level to refuse to comply with the state law.

So we have a Caliclusterforniafuck.

EDIT: SB 54 - that's the name of the state law.

 

[tinselwolverine]

I've actually raised the topic of City Council or something more "entry level" for politics, but the Mrs TheVictors is wholeheartedly opposed to any such idea.

I recommend don't do it, or at least wait until you're very, very rich - you're probably rich but you're likely not to be very, very rich, not yet anyway, although you probably will be.

Wealth will insulate you from all the shit you'll have to put up with in office.

I was once the president of an HOA, and my wife is currently the treasurer of the HOA of the condo we bought about five years ago, and it's nothing but a pain in the ass.