Caldwell to Return

[cheeno]

For the record....I don't want Stafford gone

 

[dtroitlionsfan951]

You just said it yourself. You don't know anybody or anything on a personal level. So you have no fucking idea what goes on behind the scenes. Caldwell is an idiot? Says who....you? You honestly think he just walks into work everyday and stares at the fucking wall? Give me a break. I will bet you that he's heavily involved in the offense. You remember when he was in Indy? He fired his OC and started calling the plays. So don't "promise" me shit.....you don't have a clue.

I do know our team considering I follow them and have watched them quite a bit. Of course when I was referring to other teams assistant coaches I have no clue. So what you're telling me is that Caldwell magically started utilizing his players and quarterback correctly and it just so happened to be when he changed coordinators? You are delusional.

 

[elrod817]

I do know our team considering I follow them and have watched them quite a bit. Of course when I was referring to other teams assistant coaches I have no clue. So what you're telling me is that Caldwell magically started utilizing his players and quarterback correctly and it just so happened to be when he changed coordinators? You are delusional.

I don't know 951, that might not be terribly far off. I think Caldwell let's his coordinators do their thing. Some bosses are always peering over shoulders micromanaging and others are hands off, let their people do their job and only step in once necessary. I think Caldwell is more of the latter.

Lombardi was given a pass for year one. New system, new terminology, etc. I also believe Caldwell to be a fair man. No knee jerk responses...give someone an opportunity to prove themselves. Midway through the season it was becoming obvious that Lombardi's system wasn't going to work in the D. He's shown the door and Cooter steps in. It's not so much that Caldwell started magically doing things right, but rather his coordinator did. I like Cooter, we'll see how things go this year...Cooter might not be as amazing once teams get more tape on tendencies, but for now the offense's success, in my opinion, rests on his shoulders more so than Caldwell's.

 

[dtroitlionsfan951]

I don't know 951, that might not be terribly far off. I think Caldwell let's his coordinators do their thing. Some bosses are always peering over shoulders micromanaging and others are hands off, let their people do their job and only step in once necessary. I think Caldwell is more of the latter.

Lombardi was given a pass for year one. New system, new terminology, etc. I also believe Caldwell to be a fair man. No knee jerk responses...give someone an opportunity to prove themselves. Midway through the season it was becoming obvious that Lombardi's system wasn't going to work in the D. He's shown the door and Cooter steps in. It's not so much that Caldwell started magically doing things right, but rather his coordinator did. I like Cooter, we'll see how things go this year...Cooter might not be as amazing once teams get more tape on tendencies, but for now the offense's success, in my opinion, rests on his shoulders more so than Caldwell's.

I get what you're saying. But the minute Caldwell talked to Lombardi about his scheme and his plans with the offense and Stafford it should have been shut down. Not a single coach will EVER do good with a scheme that doesn't fit his players. Especially after year 1 guys. YES we made the playoffs but did everyone forget how inept the entire offense looked all year long? And we decided let's do it again! Looking at how the offense turned around under Cooter everyone here should be more upset! We probably wasted our best opportunity to do something real with our playoff year by having the inept Lombardi at the helm all year long.

 

[elrod817]

I get what you're saying. But the minute Caldwell talked to Lombardi about his scheme and his plans with the offense and Stafford it should have been shut down. Not a single coach will EVER do good with a scheme that doesn't fit his players. Especially after year 1 guys. YES we made the playoffs but did everyone forget how inept the entire offense looked all year long? And we decided let's do it again! Looking at how the offense turned around under Cooter everyone here should be more upset! We probably wasted our best opportunity to do something real with our playoff year by having the inept Lombardi at the helm all year long.

For better or for worse Jimmy was giving Lombardi a chance. I know as fans we can get caught up, want improvement right away, fire this guy, fire that guy. But for those guys it's just a job. A boss, a good one anyway, won't just give up on an employee. They want to cultivate talent, they want to build people up, they want to be successful because they've made those under them successful.

Lao Tzu once penned "A leader is best when people barely know he exists, when his work is done, his aim fulfilled, they will say: we did it ourselves!" That's the kind of guy Caldwell is, he didn't want to just give up on a guy or meddle in his plans, he wanted the success to be Lombardi's. Maybe he should have given up sooner...as a fan it was frustrating, so I get it, but remove the football out of it and look at it as a regular job, Caldwell was trying to get something out of someone, didn't want to give up too soon. We're past it now...it's Cooter or bust.

Did I really just quote Lao Tzu on the Lions board? It might be early, but I think I need a drink...:cheers:

 

[cheeno]

Elrod read these two stories and tell me what Lao Tzu would say. The guy has all the thoughtfulness of a brick, I doubt he agonized over his Lombardi decision the way you describe. These stories are four years apart by the way.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/09/jim-caldwells-timeout-explanation-doesnt-make-sense/

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ll-says-lions-were-anticipating-lateral-play/

 

[elrod817]

Elrod read these two stories and tell me what Lao Tzu would say. The guy has all the thoughtfulness of a brick, I doubt he agonized over his Lombardi decision the way you describe. These stories are four years apart by the way.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/09/jim-caldwells-timeout-explanation-doesnt-make-sense/

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ll-says-lions-were-anticipating-lateral-play/

Hahahaha... I never said his in game decision making was good, in fact that's where he really sucks. It's the intangibles, cheeno, the intangibles.

For the record Lao Tzu said, "Don't fucking call timeout."

 

[cheeno]

Hahahaha... I never said his in game decision making was good, in fact that's where he really sucks. It's the intangibles, cheeno, the intangibles.

For the record Lao Tzu said, "Don't fucking call timeout."

Caldwell is alright. He's just a good ol boy. Never meaning no harm.

 

[elrod817]

Caldwell is alright. He's just a good ol boy. Never meaning no harm.

He beats all he ever saw, been runnin' from bad calls since the day he was born.

 

[tonyballs]

I do know our team considering I follow them and have watched them quite a bit. Of course when I was referring to other teams assistant coaches I have no clue. So what you're telling me is that Caldwell magically started utilizing his players and quarterback correctly and it just so happened to be when he changed coordinators? You are delusional.

Caldwell fired Lombardi is what happened. I dont care if you believe it. I never claimed Caldwell was waving a magic wand and the players finally bought in lol. When Cooter took over they started playing better. Did they play weaker teams? Yes, but they still performed better. Not delusional, buddy......its called realism.

 

[dubbsco]

Yeah, I'm sure Caldwell truly wanted to fire Lombardi. Week after week after week of defending him, then he just randomly sours and says "we are evaluating his position."

Lombardi would still be the OC if his hand wasn't forced.

 

[tbone413]

Yeah, I'm sure Caldwell truly wanted to fire Lombardi. Week after week after week of defending him, then he just randomly sours and says "we are evaluating his position."

Lombardi would still be the OC if his hand wasn't forced.

I agree with this. Caldwell seems to be very loyal, to a fault. Which is probably why his players like him so much...I think one of Caldwells biggest mistakes was hiring Lombardi. That almost cost him his job, and hes lucky his hand was forced by a desperate GM, or else he would have been fired as well.

 

[elrod817]

Right because most coaches say, "Yeah, I'm seriously considering firing this guy...just check with me each week and I'll tell all of you, my dear media friends, what's going on behind closed doors."

 

[dubbsco]

How about something like, "We are working with Joe and the offense to get going and improve?"

He was vehemently defending the guy every week. In fact, he went as far as sticking his neck out for him when the media went after Lombardi. He didn't want to fire the guy.

 

[SoCalLions]

How about something like, "We are working with Joe and the offense to get going and improve?"

He was vehemently defending the guy every week. In fact, he went as far as sticking his neck out for him when the media went after Lombardi. He didn't want to fire the guy.

I think that's a little ridiculous. You don't let the media know you have any doubt in one of your coaches ability to turn it around. You aren't supposed to offer any sort of comment that media types will attempt to dissect and read between the lines. It just creates additional distractions. You pump up that coach publicly and tell him he needs to fix it privately. PR 101

 

[jdeb]

He also fired offensive line coaches Jeremiah Washburn and Terry Heffernan.*

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[sggatecl]

I think that's a little ridiculous. You don't let the media know you have any doubt in one of your coaches ability to turn it around. You aren't supposed to offer any sort of comment that media types will attempt to dissect and read between the lines. It just creates additional distractions. You pump up that coach publicly and tell him he needs to fix it privately. PR 101

We've seen it here first hand. Rod Marinelli was the king of PR 101.

 

[tonyballs]

Yeah, I'm sure Caldwell truly wanted to fire Lombardi. Week after week after week of defending him, then he just randomly sours and says "we are evaluating his position."

Lombardi would still be the OC if his hand wasn't forced.

And thats why you're a fucking idiot. You dont know shit lol

 

[tonyballs]

I think that's a little ridiculous. You don't let the media know you have any doubt in one of your coaches ability to turn it around. You aren't supposed to offer any sort of comment that media types will attempt to dissect and read between the lines. It just creates additional distractions. You pump up that coach publicly and tell him he needs to fix it privately. PR 101

Dude, you're talking to a complete retard.

 

[elrod817]

I would elaborate on my previous posts, but I think eddie did a sufficient job...and my homeboy tony added his stamp of approval. I think someone called him a caveman...he might be, but when a caveman is on your side, it's always a good thing.