Caldwell to Return

[zyxt9]

I doesn't matter who the coach is next year. Alvin and his brother chipmunk's should be able to coach a NFL team to the playoffs with the Lions 2016 schedule. If Caldwell Wins he stays. If he doesn't he gets canned.. Quinn is in a no lose situation. If the Lions fail he cans the head coach and takes no blame. If we win he is lauded as a genius who listen to his 90 year old owner and kept Caldwell.

This move is about getting Calvin Johnson to stay another year I think..

While I don't disagree with anything you said here, I do not think the Lions miss the playoffs next year even if CJ does retire because the schedule is very much in their favor.

I also do not think having CJ enables them to win a playoff game next year.

Their only shot at winning a playoff game, IMO, is if their opponent had a strong start to the year but then got hit with multiple injuries, including both their starting and backup QBs, and limped into the playoffs without any of their star players.

Even then, Detroit would need homefield advantage. Even then, I put their odds at best around 50-50...provided opponent had the entire team come down with the flu.

 

[cheeno]

Coach needs to know how to put a team in place and manage it. Caldwell got a majority of his staff canned by year 2. So ya...hes no good at that. Theres a small light at the end of the tunnel with Austin/cooter....but were judging that based off a small sample size vs garbage competition.

Coach needs to manage the game. We all know hes no good at that.

Team needs to have the coaches back. From reports this is caldwells strongest attribute....not entirely sure why....but it seems to be working.

Coach needs to work well with upper mgmt. Sounds like Quinn and Caldwell could be compatible. Or Quinn was giving GM speak after he was told to keep Caldwell.

Those are his main duties.....it shouldn't be like college football where a lot of coaches micro manage many things. Typically the college coaches that outsource all those duties to others are the most successful. Dabo was awful at Clemson his first couple seasons and was on the verge of getting fired. Then he hired an ocord and became JUST a head coach and they've been successful ever since.

Gase probably wont be successful in Miami due to this reason....reports are he doesn't want an OC (which is good for us).

Certainly this covers 99% of the job. I do think within that 99% the attributes you mention should be weighted differently and that is where our problem lies. To clarify: things like good in game manager/ability to adjust game plan on the fly should not have the same weight as the players liking the coach and having his back. It's not an even split down the line and that is why even though Caldwell ticks the majority of the boxes, he can't elevate a team to a championship level.

 

[grandy]

I'm serious, they should hire a HC consultant that's in Jim's ear each Sunday from the booth. No in-game decisions, keeps the coordinators, keeps CJ, keeps the team happy...win win win win.

 

[cheeno]

I'm serious, they should hire a HC consultant that's in Jim's ear each Sunday from the booth. No in-game decisions, keeps the coordinators, keeps CJ, keeps the team happy...win win win win.

Defer all challenges and timeouts to that guy. When to run vs. pass in close games. When to go for a FG vs a TD. When to go for it on fourth down. When to play the Hail Mary vs. a lateral. Basically Jim you can pick out the socks.

 

[sggatecl]

I just want Caldwell gone, and no amount of Super Bowl victories he could bring to Detroit will ever change my feelings and opinions about that.

I think you're generally one of the better posters around here so I hope you don't take too much offense when I say that's the one of the most retarded, bull headed responses I've ever seen.

 

[zyxt9]

They should take ALL responsibilities away from Caldwell, just let him be out there as a figurehead only. They should even get a puppeteer to control his movements, at least then there might be an expression other than that dumbass one he always has.

 

[zyxt9]

I think you're generally one of the better posters around here so I hope you don't take too much offense when I say that's the one of the most retarded, bull headed responses I've ever seen.

No it isn't, sorry you misunderstood.

The Lions winning SBs would not be due to Caldwell, but due to Quinn putting a winning team together in spite of Caldwell. Caldwell has a net negative impact on the team, so even if he makes a good decision, it is an overall negative due to the volume and magnitude of his bad decisions or non-decisions. Therefore, Caldwell will never earn an ounce of respect from me...EVER.

 

[dtroitlionsfan951]

Our team will be fine if Jim can continually hire good coaches around him. However we could easily run into another Lombardi situation. Caldwell is not our guy .

 

[dtroitlionsfan951]

And you still can't come up with any names lol. And figures that you'd be one of the first guys to basically call Quinn a YES man. Surprised it took this long lol

I don't give you names because I personally don't know assistant coaches throughout the league and the responsibility of their teams success. However people that work in the business and have the necessary tools to use should. I do know that Jim Caldwell doesn't coach our offense or our defense. That is obvious. Do you disagree? You cannot maintain long term success with an idiot leading your franchise. He seems to have an ability to be well-liked and attract good coaches, however he himself is a bad coach. How do you expect Jim Caldwell to be successful head coach when he doesn't have an imprint on either side of the ball? Answer me that? He stood by and watched Lombardi grossly misuse our offense and players for a year and a half. How does a head coach who has coached offense his entire career allow that to happen? Answer me that Tony? I like our coordinators, I like our talent, but all of that won't matter because the second we have to depend on Caldwell to lead our team in the right direction in a time where either of those two things are compromised he will fumble the situation. I promise you that .

 

[dubbsco]

He's our professional Brady Hoke. Very encouraging guy, people like him, always positive, but clueless on the field and the assistants run the show.

 

[tbone413]

I am fine with the Lions keeping Caldwell. I am not a huge fan of Caldwell by any means, and I would have been OK if Quinn had fired him and hired someone else, but Im not going to lose any sleep having Caldwell as the HC for another Year or so.

A few things on this:

1. I dont think Quinn was 'pressured' or had his hand forced to keep Caldwell around. I think it was 100% his decision. He mentioned as much in his interview, and I believe him (call me crazy!). Also, I think its very bad form for an organization to 'handicap' a new GM by telling him who he has to work with, and I don't believe Accorsi would have been OK doing that.

2. Caldwell does a majority of the 'tasks' a HC has pretty well. He seems to have a good pulse on the team, and they seem to really love him. He turned the culture of the team around from what they were under Jim Schwartz (undisciplined, immature with offseason issues, etc) and made them more accountable.

3. Caldwell also struggles with in game management. I agree with everyone on this. However, there was really only one 'call/decision' of his that was inexcusable for me, and that was the hail mary / lateral play. He deserves to get crushed for that stupid decision, but he doesn't deserve to get fired for it. Coaches make bad decisions from time to time, even the very best. Carrol made probably the worst decision in the history of the NFL last year in the Super Bowl. It happens to everyone, and one play/decision shouldn't be the reason why a HC loses his job.

4. Caldwell has a winning record with the Lions, and one of the best two year starts to a coaching career in 50 years. That isnt saying much by any means, but it earns him 'year 3' at the very least. Everyone laughs and mocks the Cleveland Browns for having 5 coaches in 5 year. Continuity is very important in the NFL...and I believe sometimes bad Franchises are far to quick pull the trigger on their coaches, and it ends up hurting the team more than helping it.

If Caldwell struggles next season, Quinn fires him - easy decision, nobody will question it. If Quinn fired Caldwell, and brings in 'his guy' McDaniels, what does he do if McDaniels proceeds to go 6-10 next year? I for one am not convinced McDaniels is a sure thing and would be better than Caldwell. I dont know how anyone can claim otherwise. Quinn firing Caldwell would put ALOT of pressure on the next HC to get results asap, which is a tough position to come into.

Basically - there are no legitimate HC candidates who I know without a shadow of a doubt would be improvements to Caldwell. Harbaugh didnt get fired from Baltimore, Payton remained with the Saints, even Pagano stuck with Indy. If one of those guys were available, I would have said pull the trigger and cut ties with Caldwell immediately. However, because that isnt the case, Im fine with Quinn giving Caldwell one more year, and seeing what happens.

 

[sggatecl]

If Caldwell struggles next season, Quinn fires him - easy decision, nobody will question it. If Quinn fired Caldwell, and brings in 'his guy' McDaniels, what does he do if McDaniels proceeds to go 6-10 next year? I for one am not convinced McDaniels is a sure thing and would be better than Caldwell. I dont know how anyone can claim otherwise. Quinn firing Caldwell would put ALOT of pressure on the next HC to get results asap, which is a tough position to come into.

I think if Caldwell struggles early, we get to see what Austin brings as a head coach. I think Caldwell is on a short leash, if the team fails at any point, he's gone.

 

[elrod817]

In regard to Cooter:

Detroit Lions offensive coordinator Jim Bob Cooter is likely to remain on the coaching staff now that the Lions announced that head coach Jim Caldwell will be retained for another season. Cooter helped QB Matthew Stafford to the most consistent stretch of his seven-year career in the second half of this season.

Read more: http://www.kffl.com/player/22953/nfl/jim_bob-cooter#ixzz3xKxltvpe

 

[tigermud]

I'm happy with the decision, much rather have Caldwell back another year over McDaniels!

I think this increases the odds of Calvin giving it a go for one more year as well as Cooter and Austin returning since nobody seems to have hired Austin, we get this done next year!

 

[zyxt9]

By get this done...you mean make the playoffs, right? If you believe they will win a playoff game, I'm doubtful of that....but hey, any given day I guess.

 

[mhughes0021]

In regard to Cooter:

Detroit Lions offensive coordinator Jim Bob Cooter is likely to remain on the coaching staff now that the Lions announced that head coach Jim Caldwell will be retained for another season. Cooter helped QB Matthew Stafford to the most consistent stretch of his seven-year career in the second half of this season.

Read more: http://www.kffl.com/player/22953/nfl/jim_bob-cooter#ixzz3xKxltvpe

Good news.

 

[tigermud]

By get this done...you mean make the playoffs, right? If you believe they will win a playoff game, I'm doubtful of that....but hey, any given day I guess.

more less yes, Min expectation.. Fix the O line and anything is possible!

 

[zoombabyzoom]

My Thoughts, little random:

- If Cooter and Austin leave, or if either of them do. Retaining Caldwell feels awful. And that statement points to the feel of Caldwell's lack of coaching ability. If the coordinators and assistants are holding Caldwell up then how is he any good?

- Caldwell has to be better at game management. He is/was one of the three worst HCs in the NFL at this. Embarrassing.

- Calvin Johnson. If he comes back because of this, then Caldwell being retained looks better. But then again, why does Caldwell need that to happen to make this decision look good?

- I loved the Quinn hire, everyone knows this. But, I really question if this was his decision or not. And god it kind of hurts to admit to that. I think the only way for him to win me back over is if his Drafting reminds me of the Patriots.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

My Thoughts, little random:

- If Cooter and Austin leave, or if either of them do. Retaining Caldwell feels awful. And that statement points to the feel of Caldwell's lack of coaching ability. If the coordinators and assistants are holding Caldwell up then how is he any good?

- Caldwell has to be better at game management. He is/was one of the three worst HCs in the NFL at this. Embarrassing.

- Calvin Johnson. If he comes back because of this, then Caldwell being retained looks better. But then again, why does Caldwell need that to happen to make this decision look good?

- I loved the Quinn hire, everyone knows this. But, I really question if this was his decision or not. And god it kind of hurts to admit to that. I think the only way for him to win me back over is if his Drafting reminds me of the Patriots.

Honest question......why do you question if it was his decision or not? Is it just a feel or was something said?

Everything I have heard or read from all parties involved and all of those covering the story have stated openly that it was Quinn's decision.

I'm just wondering if there is something out there that states otherwise.

 

[jdeb]

Quinn made this move all the way. Caldwell can work and adapt to anyone. Obviously, they were on the same page or Quinn would have given walking papers. There is nothing negative at all in this. Continuity with offense, better chance Calvin plays another year at lower salary, Jim Bob coming back on contract, and if it doesn't work out, broom them all and Quinn can start fresh.

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