Can we all agree on this one thing?

[sggatecl]

another explanation could be that crime has decreased since Trump took office

:spin:

 

[tinselwolverine]

another explanation could be that crime has decreased since Trump took office

Well, nothing in what you quoted has anything to do with the new "zero tolerance" stance which applies specifically to adults being apprehended at the border attempting to cross illegally being charged and prosecuted for that misdemeanor.

The most credible report would be the one with the quotes of the officer with the Houston Police Department.

I'm no fan of Trump, but so far the White claims the ICE deportation efforts are focused on individuals who have committed crimes here in the US; one would think a high percentage of their victims would have been undocumented immigrants who don't engage in criminal activities within their communities.

It's unfortunate if people like that are reluctant to report crimes perpetrated by the very people that ICE claims to be targeting.

Many years ago, here in LA, the pretty conservative police chief Darryl Gates established SB 40; ostensibly instructing LAPD officers not to question the citizen/immigration status of victims who were reporting crimes in an attempt to curb their reluctance from coming forward to report crimes.

This is where the term "sanctuary city" originated from; however, it has now come to mean something very different - a place where criminals can go to make it hard for ICE to track them down.

 

[Gulo Blue]

... the White claims...

The White House claims a lot of things.

 

[tinselwolverine]

The White House claims a lot of things.

That is for sure.

What I'm finding on line - from real news sources - is that the substantial majority of deportations have still been of individuals with criminal convictions; however, the number of individuals without criminal convictions is up some from the Obama years.

Now, about half of those had some pending deportation order against them, for whatever reason or other, not having anything to do specifically with the Trump administration.

 

[Spartanmack]

Trump administration wants asylum-seekers to go to designated intakes, but the routes to them from Mexico are fraught with danger from predatory criminals and wild animals, so they try entering in safer but isolated and unauthorized areas.

the designated intakes are ports of entry and established border crossings - they're not in the middle of nowhere with banditos and coyotes waiting to pounce on them. It's not "safer" to enter in the dessert or isolated areas, it happens to be where they're less likely to encounter law enforcement and more likely to encounter predatory criminals and wild life.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Trump faces GOP rebellion on immigration as midterms loom

 

[sggatecl]

Trump says he would back both US House immigration bills as separation crisis grows

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Donald Trump told Republican lawmakers on Tuesday he would back either of the immigration bills making their way through the House of Representatives, as the outcry grew over his administration’s separation of immigrant parents and children at the U.S.-Mexico border.

Representative Mark Meadows said Trump told Republican members of the House at a meeting on Capitol Hill that they needed to get something done on immigration “right away.”

In the meeting, Trump said separating families was “certainly not an attractive thing and does look bad,” added Representative Tom Cole.

Congressional Republicans have been scrambling to craft legislation as videos of youngsters in cages and an audiotape of wailing children have sparked anger at home from groups ranging from clergy to influential business leaders, as well as condemnation abroad.

A Reuters/Ipsos national opinion poll released on Tuesday showed fewer than one in three American adults supporting the policy. The June 16-19 poll found that 28 percent of people polled supported the policy, while 57 percent opposed it and the remaining 15 percent said they did not know.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Well if Trump wants a procedural change ?right away? he doesn?t need an act of Congress for that to happen.

He could just rescind the ?zero tolerance? procedure ?right away? in exactly the same way he implemented it right away.

 

[sggatecl]

Well if Trump wants a procedural change “right away” he doesn’t need an act of Congress for that to happen.

He could just rescind the “zero tolerance” procedure “right away” in exactly the same way he implemented it right away.

But then he wouldn't have gotten anything out of it. I believe it was a power play all along. He's looking to deal. We've been told that's his MO all along. It would also void or negate his argument all along that it's the Democrats' fault. If they push new legislation along that 'ends it' he can take the win for ending the democrats' inhumane laws.

 

[JScottWriter]

He also said he would back a bill that was made of "love" months ago. That's when he called some countries "shitholes" because he didn't like Lindsey Graham's bill.

 

[tinselwolverine]

But then he wouldn't have gotten anything out of it. I believe it was a power play all along. He's looking to deal. We've been told that's his MO all along. It would also void or negate his argument all along that it's the Democrats' fault. If they push new legislation along that 'ends it' he can take the win for ending the democrats' inhumane laws.

That doesn?t mean he can?t rescind it.

The Republican Congressional Establishment and the Republican President are headed on a path to civil war, not to mention the concurrent palace intrigue to boot.

We?ll see what happens.

 

[sggatecl]

That doesn?t mean he can?t rescind it.

The Republican Congressional Establishment and the Republican President are headed on a path to civil war, not to mention the concurrent palace intrigue to boot.

We?ll see what happens.

I don't know how they can just rescind it and maintain the narrative that it's the Democrat's fault.

 

[tinselwolverine]

I don't know how they can just rescind it and maintain the narrative that it's the Democrat's fault.

You don?t?

They?ll just say it was the Democrats? fault.

That?s how.

Trumpolitics is not that complicated.

 

[sggatecl]

You don?t?

They?ll just say it was the Democrats? fault.

That?s how.

Trumpolitics is not that complicated.

Fair enough.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I love how the sophistication of political discussions has been elevated to get at the subtle, but important nuances that lie in the gray areas.


https://twitter.com/passantino/status/1009220051172495361/video/1

 

[Spartanmack]

He also said he would back a bill that was made of "love" months ago. That's when he called some countries "shitholes" because he didn't like Lindsey Graham's bill.

I think he called some countries shitholes because they're shitholes, not because of Lindsey Graham's bill.

 

[Spartanmack]

Fair enough.

but to your point, while that may satisfy the most loyal of his base, I think it will be seen as you described by a lot of folks especially hard line immigration voters who don't think Trump can do no wrong.

 

[TheVictors]

Trump is such a feckless cunt.


He manufactures crisis where there is none, pretends that he "fixed" something he, himself created and then acts like he's accomplished something.




He's a fucking contemporary Don Quixote. Fucking idiot and racist lying Don Quixote.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Trump is such a feckless cunt.


He manufactures crisis where there is none, pretends that he "fixed" something he, himself created and then acts like he's accomplished something.

Trumpolitics. Fair enough.

I'm sure he'll continue to blame the Democrats for this ever having happened in the first place.

 

[TheVictors]

He's just doing what Putin is telling him to do. All of it - shitting on allies and trade partners, meeting with brutal dictators to normalize their status on the world stage. Causing unprecedented anger and strife within the US ...spreading lies and innuendo ..lying on every topic, every day without any repercussion whatsoever. Congress is quite clearly also in Russia's pocket and/or the most spineless collection of twats every elected. It's a fucking shame.


what's worse is that there are fellow Americans so stupid that they buy into the conspiracies and lies. America is a laughingstock because of Trump - a global embarrassment.