Capital 1 Bowl Mania

[tinselwolverine]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si...9/09/04/clemson-dabo-swinney-religion-culture

SI did a story on Dabo's "religion culture" at Clemson.

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I read through the article, and it seems that no player or recruiter has ever had a problem with it. Even the FFRP attorney is quoted in the article as saying that until such a thing happens, there?s really probably nothing that can be done.

If nobody associated with the team is bothered, maybe nothing should be done.

 

[SpartyNash]

The us against the world approach works. Mark used it when He came to Msu and turned things Around. I agree with you that something is pretty fishy on how good Clemson got so fast. I also agree the Acc is garbage. Complete and utter crap. If he is forcing religion on his guys that just creeps me out. I don?t care what religion you follow but you need to find it on your own, and not though a coach. I hate rooting for the Sec but In this case I will?

While it does work, it?s incredibly annoying when unfounded. At least in Dantonios case he could point to several instances of his team being overlooked, I can?t say that about Clemson at any point the last 5 years.

 

[tinselwolverine]

The us against the world approach works. Mark used it when He came to Msu and turned things Around. I agree with you that something is pretty fishy on how good Clemson got so fast. I also agree the Acc is garbage. Complete and utter crap. If he is forcing religion on his guys that just creeps me out. I don?t care what religion you follow but you need to find it on your own, and not though a coach. I hate rooting for the Sec but In this case I will?

Maybe the fishy thing is Jesus.

Because... ya know...Jesus...and fish...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=naqOC0vLWv0

 

[thewolverines24]

I read through the article, and it seems that no player or recruiter has ever had a problem with it. Even the FFRP attorney is quoted in the article as saying that until such a thing happens, there?s really probably nothing that can be done.



If nobody associated with the team is bothered, maybe nothing should be done.

You think the guys who are bothered will say anything? They want to stay in the good graces of the head coach.

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[wlvrnstlr4life]

Everyone is happy for you.

It?s what we were all talking about.

The thread was created for a friendly competition. If we dont talk about how we are all doing, what's the point?

 

[hungry]

this is not accurate. The WR was running back towards the ball (towards the QB) when he caught the ball. He never had "forward progress" because his own momentum was carrying him in that direction.

As far as the fumble and recovery. I agree with most, in real speed it looked like an incomplete pass but in slow motion it was definitely a fumble since he took 3 steps with possession prior to him getting stripped.

Oh well, that's the breaks. Plays are called wrong all of the time.

You don't get to say it was definitely a fumble. It was a fumble in your opinion.

I believe you are wrong and so do a lot of other people, including the replay official that was in charge.

Officially, it goes down as an incomplete pass.

 

[hungry]

The thread was created for a friendly competition. If we dont talk about how we are all doing, what's the point?

Tinsel is just jealous...

 

[wlvrnstlr4life]

I looked at the play 2 ways. IF he caught it, the defender hits him and is driving him back. The play is dead right there. His forward momentum is stopped. It was a completed pass and Clemson gets the ball right there. IF he doesn't catch it, well, then it can't be a fumble.

I don't believe it was a catch, but even if it were, I don't see how you reward the ball and TD to Ohio State.

Too often refs are "letting things play out" now. If they call the pass complete and let the play run out, then they are relying on replay to get the call right. That isn't the intent of replay. It's almost as if in situations like this, they are erring on the side of calling everything a catch and letting it play out. Problem with that is, you need indisputable evidence to overturn the play.

They interviewed Urban Meyer and he said that he believed it was an incomplete pass. I don't know if he was being honest or just being PC, though.

Well said..........but, if this was Michigan, we lose on that play and it's a fumble TD, lol.

 

[tomdalton22]

You don't get to say it was definitely a fumble. It was a fumble in your opinion.

I believe you are wrong and so do a lot of other people, including the replay official that was in charge.

Officially, it goes down as an incomplete pass.

sorry...I thought you understood that I was giving my opinion...just like the replay official was giving his opinion.

and yes...like I said before...plays are called wrong all of the time...those are the breaks.

 

[wlvrnstlr4life]

You think the guys who are bothered will say anything? They want to stay in the good graces of the head coach.

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I'd not think Dabo pushes religion on his players, he pushes donations from religion upon his players. And I tell you what, that is fucking genius.

Lots of big money flow thru churches.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Tinsel is just jealous...

What?

I posted that I was happy for the guy.

I posted that everyone was.

Sheesh, this is a tough crowd.

 

[thewolverines24]

I'd not think Dabo pushes religion on his players, he pushes donations from religion upon his players. And I tell you what, that is fucking genius.

Lots of big money flow thru churches.

He's had players say he speaks to them like he's a Baptist preacher. He definitely pushes his religion on players. The donations might be why they buy into it lol.

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[hungry]

Well said..........but, if this was Michigan, we lose on that play and it's a fumble TD, lol.

I don't think OSU lost on this play.

this play was halfway through the 3rd quarter

OSU lost on the pick in the endzone

They had plenty of time to recover from this play

 

[tinselwolverine]

You think the guys who are bothered will say anything? They want to stay in the good graces of the head coach.

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Well, I read the article you linked to, and an introduction of the culture seems to be included right in the recruiting process. It seems a lot of recruits that chose Clemson did so because they bought into the message.

The article indicated that those that were turned off chose to go elsewhere.

There was one guy quoted, his name was Kelly, who was already a Jehovah?s Witness, a branch of Christianity so nutty that makes Dabo Swinney?s beliefs seem like science class.

Anyway he said Swinny had no problem with him not buying into Swinny?s philosophy.

He was quoted as saying he didn?t feel like he fell out of good graces with the head coach.

So there was an example of someone who said something and didn?t get any problems for it.

Anyway to answer your direct question, you asked me what I thought about guys who might be bothered by the situation and not saying anything about it and the answer is, there is very little that I could care about less.

They?re grown men who have been endowed with natural abilities that are very marketable in this world. I don?t care how they feel or what they think or how they try to address whatever situation they find themselves in should they have issues-but no one should have been taken by surprise, it was no secret what the deal is there.

If it turns out that an authority like the state of South Carolina or the NCAA or the University of Clemson or the judicial system or some other authority over Dabo Swinney has an issue with him, that?s between them all too. I don?t care about that either.

 

[tomdalton22]

I don't think OSU lost on this play.

this play was halfway through the 3rd quarter

OSU lost on the pick in the endzone

They had plenty of time to recover from this play

for sure. There were a bunch of big plays that cost OSU that game and the "fumble 6" was just one of them. I think the roughing the kicker penalty was just as big of a play and the 2 drops by Dobbins that would have been TDs that turned into FGs.

 

[wlvrnstlr4life]

I don't think OSU lost on this play.

I do. There was already a momentum shift and Clemson was sucking. I dont think they would have recovered. Clemson was always a play away from the whole thing crashing down and that, in my opinion, was it. Clemson had some serious luck yesterday.

People are are talking about the Shaun Wade hit as being controversial. There was nothing controversial about it. Lawerence was in the pocket looking to pass and Wade came in high like a missile and lowered his head. I'm sure Lawerence's eyeballs fluttered a bit after that hit. I knew right away what happened. The announcers didn't say anything at first because they were concerned about Lawerence not getting up. I was thinking that they needed to look at that again. They did and it was the right call.

 

[wlvrnstlr4life]

for sure. There were a bunch of big plays that cost OSU that game and the "fumble 6" was just one of them. I think the roughing the kicker penalty was just as big of a play and the 2 drops by Dobbins that would have been TDs that turned into FGs.

I totally forgot about that penalty. Didn't they end up scoring on that drive?

 

[tomdalton22]

I totally forgot about that penalty. Didn't they end up scoring on that drive?

yes.

 

[thewolverines24]

Well, I read the article you linked to, and an introduction of the culture seems to be included right in the recruiting process. It seems a lot of recruits that chose Clemson did so because they bought into the message.



The article indicated that those that were turned off chose to go elsewhere.



There was one guy quoted, his name was Kelly, who was already a Jehovah?s Witness, a branch of Christianity so nutty that makes Dabo Swinney?s beliefs seem like science class.



Anyway he said Swinny had no problem with him not buying into Swinny?s philosophy.



He was quoted as saying he didn?t feel like he fell out of good graces with the head coach.



So there was an example of someone who said something and didn?t get any problems for it.



Anyway to answer your direct question, you asked me what I thought about guys who might be bothered by the situation and not saying anything about it and the answer is, there is very little that I could care about less.



They?re grown men who have been endowed with natural abilities that are very marketable in this world. I don?t care how they feel or what they think or how they try to address whatever situation they find themselves in should they have issues-but no one should have been taken by surprise, it was no secret what the deal is there.



If it turns out that an authority like the state of South Carolina or the NCAA or the University of Clemson or the judicial system or some other authority over Dabo Swinney has an issue with him, that?s between them all too. I don?t care about that either.

I get your side as well.

I do disagree that they are grown men. Some might be mature enough to be called that, but I remember people in college and grown men and women is not how I would describe the vast majority of them, including myself.



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[tinselwolverine]

I get your side as well.

I do disagree that they are grown men. Some might be mature enough to be called that, but I remember people in college and grown men and women is not how I would describe the vast majority of them, including myself.



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Also - unless a person bought into all that - why would a person go there? It?s a podunk little burg in the middle of Bible Belt! Sure they?ve been completing for national championships recently but it?s not the only place where there?s been competing for national championships.

You made a point in an earlier post, indicating that booster ?heavenly handshakes? might be a good motivator to get guys to just ?shut up and love Jesus,? at least until the time they get their NFL signing bonuses. ?I got two million dollars! Jesus and Clemson did great for me!?