Chris Houston out?

[detrisin]

We did stop him. He was down. No arguing that point. After that play you can complain about the defense as much as you want, they deserve most of that, but Forsett was down on that play and the refs blew it.

Refs may have blown it, but Schwartz solidified it in stone. Is he spending this offseason learning the effing rules?

 

[LKP]

Refs may have blown it, but Schwartz solidified it in stone. Is he spending this offseason learning the effing rules?

Emotion got the best of him. And McCarthy and Mike Smith in the same situation. Only McCarthy got really lucky somehow the refs were super quick to review the play in their game but somehow in our game they were taking a Turkey break and couldn't start reviewing right away.

Regardless the Lions defense did not give up an 81 yard run.

 

[detrisin]

Emotion got the best of him. And McCarthy and Mike Smith in the same situation. Only McCarthy got really lucky somehow the refs were super quick to review the play in their game but somehow in our game they were taking a Turkey break and couldn't start reviewing right away.

Regardless the Lions defense did not give up an 81 yard run.

You make my point with the emotion getting the best of him. He's supposed to be the leader. It's especially odd that he knew the rule as he pointed out so eloquently in his "learn the effing rules" comment in 2011.

McCarthy didn't get lucky, they made up a change to the rule on the fly and gave the Pack a gift. Can't remember the Smith one.

 

[LKP]

You make my point with the emotion getting the best of him. He's supposed to be the leader. It's especially odd that he knew the rule as he pointed out so eloquently in his "learn the effing rules" comment in 2011.

McCarthy didn't get lucky, they made up a change to the rule on the fly and gave the Pack a gift. Can't remember the Smith one.

Smith lost a turnover for the Falcons. They still beat the Cards though.

Even leaders can get emotional, especially when you are getting as thoroughly screwed as the Lions were at that point. It's still 90% refs fault and doesn't change the fact the Lions defense did not give up an 81 yard run due to their own mistakes or lack of talent.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Emotion got the best of him. And McCarthy and Mike Smith in the same situation. Only McCarthy got really lucky somehow the refs were super quick to review the play in their game but somehow in our game they were taking a Turkey break and couldn't start reviewing right away.

Regardless the Lions defense did not give up an 81 yard run.

I love how you just throw out "emotion got the best of him" like it doesn't really matter. As pointed out, Schwartz is the leader of this team. As he goes, so go the Lions. When your "leader" can't keep his composure well enough to NOT make a critical, GAME CHANGING error......what do you expect the players to do?? Schwartz is the worst kind of stupid sometimes. I think he is a good NFL head coach. However, he STILL hasn't learned the difference between being a coordinator and a head coach. Coordinators can be over the top fiery and scream and yell just about all they want. Head coaches need to have some composure.

Schwartz doesn't.....and it will continue to cost this team until he learns better. Weather it be directly from his stupid mistakes like throwing the challenge flag or one of his players letting "emotion get the best of them" and getting a critical personal foul.

As far as the rest.....the NFL just simply shit the bed as far as the rule is concerned. If ALL TURNOVERS AND TOUCHDOWNS are automatically reviewed....shouldn't the call down be instantaneous? Letting McCarthy throw a flag and NOT be penalized is absolutely a slap in the face to the fuckin Lions.

 

[LKP]

Personal fouls were way down this year for the Lions compared to 2011 but nobody notices that.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Smith lost a turnover for the Falcons. They still beat the Cards though.

Even leaders can get emotional, especially when you are getting as thoroughly screwed as the Lions were at that point. It's still 90% refs fault and doesn't change the fact the Lions defense did not give up an 81 yard run due to their own mistakes or lack of talent.

Maybe I'm just having a bad day. Irritated today for some reason. Anyway, your unbelievable ability to NOT place blame where it belongs is getting really fucking annoying.

90% refs fault??? Are you serious??? C'mon....you're joking right? Nobody is that stupid, are they?

Schwartz doesn't throw the flag, play gets reviewed and overturned. FACT. Coaches should know the rules. FACT

100% Schwartz's fault. Stupid ass rule......but JS's fault.

You strike me as the kind of person who will raise spoiled fuckin brats. Kid gets a bad grade. 90% teachers fault.....course is too hard. Kid falls down running on the icy sidewalk......city's fault for not completely clearing every inch. Buy a hot cup of coffee, spill it on yourself because you're an idiot.....sue the company that gave it to you.

 

[LKP]

And I don't understand why everyone hates this defense so much. 13 TDs not the defenses fault and 10 Field goals not the defenses fault from turnovers. That's a turnover problem. Then you have the Forsett TD too. That's a true 19.3 PPG not 27.3 PPG.

Held the Vikings to 6 at Ford Field, Bears to 13 in Chicago, Pack to 14 at Ford Field, Pack to 20 on the road and Bears to 10 despite turnovers gifting the Bears 16 points Week 17. And yet 0-6 in the division solely because of turnovers instead of 3-3 or 4-2 off of good defensive efforts.

 

[LKP]

Maybe I'm just having a bad day. Irritated today for some reason. Anyway, your unbelievable ability to NOT place blame where it belongs is getting really fucking annoying.

90% refs fault??? Are you serious??? C'mon....you're joking right? Nobody is that stupid, are they?

Schwartz doesn't throw the flag, play gets reviewed and overturned. FACT. Coaches should know the rules. FACT

100% Schwartz's fault. Stupid ass rule......but JS's fault.

You strike me as the kind of person who will raise spoiled fuckin brats. Kid gets a bad grade. 90% teachers fault.....course is too hard. Kid falls down running on the icy sidewalk......city's fault for not completely clearing every inch. Buy a hot cup of coffee, spill it on yourself because you're an idiot.....sue the company that gave it to you.

Who made the original error. The refs. That original error made alot of people in Detroit angry, especially a coach invested in histeam. It's 90% the refs fault. Obvious down by contact and obvious stupid rule.

 

[Mitchrapp]

And I don't understand why everyone hates this defense so much. 13 TDs not the defenses fault and 10 Field goals not the defenses fault from turnovers. That's a turnover problem. Then you have the Forsett TD too. That's a true 19.3 PPG not 27.3 PPG.

Held the Vikings to 6 at Ford Field, Bears to 13 in Chicago, Pack to 14 at Ford Field, Pack to 20 on the road and Bears to 10 despite turnovers gifting the Bears 16 points Week 17. And yet 0-6 in the division solely because of turnovers instead of 3-3 or 4-2 off of good defensive efforts.

Because they can not make a play when it matters, trying to protect the lead. It doesn't matter what happen for them to get there but 2-4 minutes left - they let leads slip away. That's defense, not a ST blunder earlier in the game or a blown call etc.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Who made the original error. The refs. That original error made alot of people in Detroit angry, especially a coach invested in histeam. It's 90% the refs fault. Obvious down by contact and obvious stupid rule.

Alright genius.

Answer this.

If Schwartz would have kept his composure and DOESN'T throw the challenge flag, what would have happened?

 

[LKP]

Because they can not make a play when it matters, trying to protect the lead. It doesn't matter what happen for them to get there but 2-4 minutes left - they let leads slip away. That's defense, not a ST blunder earlier in the game or a blown call etc.

Against the Packers. Holding them to 14 points is a good thing. Should never have come down to holding a lead. The defense did their job almost all day.

Texans and Colts games, yes it's their fault though that Forsett TD sure wasn't in an OT game.

Vikings and at Bears, Chicago home, not their fault and even the Cards game was all turnovers.

Falcons and 49ers outmatched and pretty injured in both games. at Vikings, Peterson got them.

at Titans they gave up 23 really, somewhat their fault but they made some big plays, Houston turnover. 20 on the road to the Packers, somewhat their fault.

5 games not their fault (many divisional games). 2 only somewhat(at Pack/at Titans) and Houston you have the Forsett TD when the Lions were cruising.

3 losses only you can pin solely on the defense out of 12 and even in those games the offense did things to screw the defenses.

 

[LKP]

Alright genius.

Answer this.

If Schwartz would have kept his composure and DOESN'T throw the challenge flag, what would have happened?

It's irrelevant. The refs should have kept their composure or got their eyes check so you don't send a coach into a tirade like that. And the review should have started instantly. Scwartz should have been allowed to throw his shoe at the refs head with how bad and SLOW the refs were.

 

[detrisin]

For a game or two, I can buy LKP's bad bounces and breaks theory. But for a whole season? Channel Bill Parcel's statement -- you are what your record says you are.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Against the Packers. Holding them to 14 points is a good thing. Should never have come down to holding a lead. The defense did their job almost all day.

Texans and Colts games, yes it's their fault though that Forsett TD sure wasn't in an OT game.

Vikings and at Bears, Chicago home, not their fault and even the Cards game was all turnovers.

Falcons and 49ers outmatched and pretty injured in both games. at Vikings, Peterson got them.

at Titans they gave up 23 really, somewhat their fault but they made some big plays, Houston turnover. 20 on the road to the Packers, somewhat their fault.

5 games not their fault (many divisional games). 2 only somewhat(at Pack/at Titans) and Houston you have the Forsett TD when the Lions were cruising.

3 losses only you can pin solely on the defense out of 12 and even in those games the offense did things to screw the defenses.

You just don't get it. Being positive is great but you just don't get it.

 

[LKP]

I do get it and I watched the games several times. It was turnovers screwing a solid defense. Would you like the Lions D to hold the Vikings to only 3 instead of 6 next year, Pack to 10 instead of 14 and Bears to 10 instead of 13.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

It's irrelevant. The refs should have kept their composure or got their eyes check so you don't send a coach into a tirade like that. And the review should have started instantly. Scwartz should have been allowed to throw his shoe at the refs head with how bad and SLOW the refs were.

Got it. You can't answer the question because you know the answer.

Why do you think there ARE reviews?? Refs aren't going to get everything right....there are reviews in EVERY game. It happens. Deal with it.

Your refusal to see the OBVIOUS truth here is comical. Schwartz fucked up. HE even admitted it. It's pathetic that YOU can't.

 

[detrisin]

I do get it and I watched the games several times. It was turnovers screwing a solid defense. Would you like the Lions D to hold the Vikings to only 3 instead of 6 next year, Pack to 10 instead of 14 and Bears to 10 instead of 13.

That solid defense sure does not pass the eye test.

 

[LKP]

Got it. You can't answer the question because you know the answer.

Why do you think there ARE reviews?? Refs aren't going to get everything right....there are reviews in EVERY game. It happens. Deal with it.

Your refusal to see the OBVIOUS truth here is comical. Schwartz fucked up. HE even admitted it. It's pathetic that YOU can't.

He gets 10% of the blame. But it's a domino effect started by the refs missing a call and how slow the refs were to review, and how stupid the rule is that penalizes Schwartz for not even doing something obscene. He threw a challenge flag out of frustration. Throwing a challenge flag is instinctive.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

He gets 10% of the blame. But it's a domino effect started by the refs missing a call and how slow the refs were to review, and how stupid the rule is that penalizes Schwartz for not even doing something obscene. He threw a challenge flag out of frustration. Throwing a challenge flag is instinctive.

INSTINCTIVE???

Throwing a challenge flag is instinctive??

You're just dumb.

I'm not arguing with stupid.

Good luck Forrest!!