Why's that. Because you a random fan doesn't like him. He has been a playmaker for the Lions.
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Why's that. Because you a random fan doesn't like him. He has been a playmaker for the Lions.
*achew*
sorry i'm allergic to bullshit
has he made plays, yes. is he a playmaker? meh.
does he get torched on run plays? ABSOLUTELY
i fail to see anyone who gets totally owned in a very critical aspect of the game can be labelled a playmaker.
sorry i'm allergic to bullshit
has he made plays, yes. is he a playmaker? meh.
does he get torched on run plays? ABSOLUTELY
i fail to see anyone who gets totally owned in a very critical aspect of the game can be labelled a playmaker.
Pass rush is important. 9-10 sacks, 5-6 QB hits 40 hurries a year and is very important for this team. When was the last time the Lions had a guy who had a 9 plus sacks 3 years in a row and 40 hurries 2 years in a row(2010/2011). Avril was a big reason we made the playoffs in 2011 and forced so many turnovers.
What is your answer at DE. Just draft a guy?
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If you go at the QB and don't stop regardless what happens 9-10 sacks ain't nothing.
That's the scheme. That's not changing and it can be effective. LMFAO 9-10 sacks is not nothing. And it worked in 2010/2011 very well to the tune of good CONSISTENT pass rush. Avril gets sacks and consistent because he has speed and talent not because of his style.
Young and Jackson do the same in the scheme but they don't get the pressure Avril gets.
That doesn't help him get sacks but it does take away the outside and is supposed to filter things back to the middle. However, agreed it leaves a hole in the 5 gap. The DT needs to recognize that and the LBs need to shed their blocks or recognize better. Plus the safety needs to fill properly. Will Avril every recognize the run better, doubtful but that doesn't take anything away from his 9 sacks and 40 hurries. Those plays are when he is reading the play properly as pass and then using his speed to make a good play for the Lions. He still is turning the corner on the tackle to make those good plays. And if the DT pressure can force the QB Avril's way even better. Suh and company have to be disciplined too because Avril is SUPPOSED to be that wide.
And I think the bigger problem was KVB. Avril could beat the tackle a good amount but everyone knew KVB was getting stoned almost every time. That makes things predictable if the pass rush is obviously coming from just one side.
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Funny how other teams are capable of playing well vs run and pass.
So LKP, is the problem the coaches since you said that I'd how avril is supposed to play or is it avril. U claim both are great and neither coaches nor player should be let go. But u cannot have it both ways when thee is such blatant ineffectiveness.
Tell us then, is it the problem with avril or the coaching.
I already can hear the excuses about how neither is the problem, so then u want to place full blame on the lbs and safeties I guess. Well, how can they improve those areas when 4 guys are eating so much cap room??? Let avril go and we can get better lbs and safeties and get a de who doesn't sprint past the ball carrier.
So LKP, is the problem the coaches since you said that I'd how avril is supposed to play or is it avril. U claim both are great and neither coaches nor player should be let go. But u cannot have it both ways when thee is such blatant ineffectiveness.
Tell us then, is it the problem with avril or the coaching.
I already can hear the excuses about how neither is the problem, so then u want to place full blame on the lbs and safeties I guess. Well, how can they improve those areas when 4 guys are eating so much cap room??? Let avril go and we can get better lbs and safeties and get a de who doesn't sprint past the ball carrier.
It's various breakdowns at different points. Lions are good for awhile but then get a big gash. Durant did well against the run, so did Jackson. The Lions did not get gashed every game. It was certain games. 49ers, Vikings twice were the big ones.
Some of it is Avril and some is just the scheme, some is Suh not being disciplined, some is Tulloch taking a step back, some is Levy sucking, some is backup safeties sucking, some is KVB sucking. It's not even to close to all on Avril while they suck against the run.
Can they fix it with Avril on the roster. Yes. Avril can play the run better, 2010/2011 were better than 2012 for his run defense as well. Get a better DE than KVB who was the worst DE in the league. Give the other LBs a shot as Levy sucked. Get Durant back. Tulloch plays like he did with the Titans and 2011. And Suh needs to be more discipline. Having starting safeties playing would be nice too. Alot needs to happen but they can fix it and they don't need to change the scheme to do so.
And like I said the Giants gave up more YPC than the Lions and they have JPP who is a stud against the run. DE isn't the crux of run defense.
For instance Peterson 2 runs for 80 yards in the 4th against the Lions Week 10, Avril wasn't even on the field. Young was and Levy was sucking and Silva was sucking. Lynch run, Avril wasn't wide but the problem was Durant got blocked and Silva took a bad angle and was blocked. Delmas and Tulloch got lost in the traffic.
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The bigger problem was KVB?
A guy who apparently at 33 and ineffective was a better option than super studs Lawrence Jackson and Willie Young (although both FA somehow they are both penciled in as starters at least on one side of the line in your mind) even when we were 4-8, 4-9, 4-10, 4-11, and clearly had nothing to lose by starting them.... face it the team is devoid of any depth of talent and locked into a poor scheme, due to poor drafting, coaching, play whatever you want to blame you can make a case for any or each. You are right there is no magic fix at end and maybe bringing back Avril is the best of several bad options so I agree with you on this LKP we're fucked into bringing back a guy that is severely overpaid (ain't that the Lions way). That is what drafting 1st and 2nd round offensive skill players got us the first time and surprise surprise we're in the same position now.
And you take out those 3 plays that weren't Avril's fault. 151 yards and 3 less carries. That's 4.15 YPC. The Lions run defense wasn't as bad over the course of the season as everyone makes it out. There was some big gashes and San Fran got us but it's not consistently getting chunks.
Jackson and Young played alot. They were both dinged up some this year. Jackson and Young were good depth in 2011, it was shocking they became bad depth. And Jackson was actually good in run defense. KVB became junk and now he's gone. That only makes the Lions better.
Lions used a ton of picks not on weapons. Fariley, Suh, Delmas, Spievey, Reiff, Bentley and got a good QB in Stafford. Plus good trades for Houston, Corey Williams and Jackson. Picking Best, Broyles, Pettigrew and Young instead of others in your hindsight world is not the reason the Lions sucked.
They are talented but underachieved. The turnovers were the big killers, the safety injuries and the suprising DE meltdown. The ship can be righted, even with just Stafford alone getting back on track.
Jackson and Young played alot. They were both dinged up some this year. Jackson and Young were good depth in 2011, it was shocking they became bad depth. And Jackson was actually good in run defense. KVB became junk and now he's gone. That only makes the Lions better.
Lions used a ton of picks not on weapons. Fariley, Suh, Delmas, Spievey, Reiff, Bentley and got a good QB in Stafford. Plus good trades for Houston, Corey Williams and Jackson. Picking Best, Broyles, Pettigrew and Young instead of others in your hindsight world is not the reason the Lions sucked.
They are talented but underachieved. The turnovers were the big killers, the safety injuries and the suprising DE meltdown. The ship can be righted, even with just Stafford alone getting back on track.
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Exactly. Time honored tradition.
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except we sucked during the season and calvin was the only thing to cheer for.
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Nonetheless.
Poke all you want but to say they have no talent or little talent is just a false statement. Stafford, Calvin, Reiff, Pettigrew, LeShoure, Bell, Burleson, Broyles, Backus, Rob Sims and Tony Scheffler all have a good amount of talent on offense. And Raiola is a vet who holds it together in pass pro with the line call, no run blocking talent though.
Suh, Fariley, Tulloch on defense and Houston, Durant, Sammie Lee Hill. Delmas and Avril all have talent and are priorities to bring back. Then you have young talent developing in Bentley, Green, Greenwood, Lewis, Lewis and Whitehead. Willie Young has shown flashes as well. We'll see what these guys bring. Giving up on them already after their rookie year is just stupid. They wont' all develop but some of them will.
They have holes to fill like any team. And we have free agency to retain our talent and find more at RB/WR/CB/Safety and the draft coming up to do so as well.
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Who said they did. Maybe I should just say "this team is perfect in every aspect - 16-0 SB bound"
Its okay for fans to poke at the team at times. No way will you root more for the Lions than I do or others. But we won 4 games, and it wasn't unlucky or injuries.
It was alot of close nailbiters. They were 4-5 and they lost 3 games they outplayed 3 good opponents and should of won. Then they got majorly hurt for the final 4. And some of it was fluky. Some those turnovers this year I couldn't believe (Stafford fumble at Green Bay, at Bears 2 fumbles, pick 6 at home against Green Bay, 2 Pettigrew fumbles), many of them unearned by the other team. Fix the turnovers, which they have the talent to do IMO and we win alot more games.
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