Chris Houston out?

[LKP]

And here's 5 year 45 million 15 SB with a restructure in year 3
1 base + 3=4
4 base+3=7
1 base +4.3=5.3 (restructure 4 million out of a 5 base original)
8 base+4.3+2=14.3
10 base+4.3=14.3

8.6 dead money in year 4 if you cut him or you could restructure again in year 4. And then have 11.3 cap number year 4 and 7.3 dead cap in year 5. Or designate June 1 and he counts 4.3 in year 4 and 4.3 in year 5 in dead money.

26.6 million in cash in 2 years(2012/2013) should be good enough for Avril. Plus 9 million more over the next 2 years.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I guess you like him more than I do.

 

[LKP]

I guess you like him more than I do.

Mayhew liked him at 10 million per. I like him at 9 million per now

 

[cheeno]

Mayhew liked him at 10 million per. I like him at 9 million per now

I like him as a Jaguar now.

 

[LKP]

I like him as a Jaguar now.

Well you better really like Jackson, Young and a stud rookie top 5 pick then

 

[cheeno]

Well you better really like Jackson, Young and a stud rookie top 5 pick then

You better like Bullet Bill and Tahir Whitehead then.

 

[LKP]

You better like Bullet Bill and Tahir Whitehead then.

I do like Travis Lewis and Jonte Green too. But we'll get Durant, Delmas and Houston back too

 

[cheeno]

I do like Travis Lewis and Jonte Green too. But we'll get Durant, Delmas and Houston back too

Don't forget Corey Greenwood.

 

[mhughes0021]

I do like Travis Lewis and Jonte Green too. But we'll get Durant, Delmas and Houston back too

ur getting all these people back plus avril at 9 mil per...yet we are only 5 mil under the cap. amazing!

 

[Mitchrapp]

Mayhew should take his 5m and go to Vegas. A bit of luck and we could triple that 5m.

 

[zyxt9]

Mayhew should take his 5m and go to Vegas. A bit of luck and we could triple that 5m.

put it all on black, hit it, let it ride, hit it again...

easy money

 

[zyxt9]

Good bet for Avril 5 year 45 million with 15 signing bonus (same as Hali SB).

1 base +3 SB allocation=4 cap number
4 base +3=7 cap number
6 base +3=9 cap number
8 base +3 +2 roster=13 cap number
9 base +3=12 cap number

Realy a 3 year deal or 4 if you restructure year 4. Avril gets 26 million in cash in a 2 year period from the Lions counting 2012. And then 4 and 5 million in years 3 and 4. Very good contract for both.

you seem to not grasp the fact that they already did this type of backloading on CJ's contract and will need to do same with Stafford and Suh in order to be under cap short term. the projected future cap increases do not accommodate those 3, let alone doing same with avril. you are asking the lions to put in a huge % of cap into 4 players. how good do you think the other 49 players are going to be when you only have enough $ to sign them all at vet minimums?

in your mind:

staff, cj, suh, avril >>> a team

 

[LKP]

you seem to not grasp the fact that they already did this type of backloading on CJ's contract and will need to do same with Stafford and Suh in order to be under cap short term. the projected future cap increases do not accommodate those 3, let alone doing same with avril. you are asking the lions to put in a huge % of cap into 4 players. how good do you think the other 49 players are going to be when you only have enough $ to sign them all at vet minimums?

in your mind:

staff, cj, suh, avril >>> a team

Calvin is low this year and next year. Then restructure again in year 4 or do what they did with Fitzgerald or what Brady did with another extension. Or the Lions are already proving they can handle one giant number with Suh's cap number this year. They are 8 under with two giant numbewrs right now. Stafford we'll see if it's backloaded or not. Suh is already counting a ton, a new deal will be much lower based on the DT market. And Avril won't see the big numbers on those deals, he's low for 3 years in that scenario. Plenty of ways to make it work. You concerning yourself about 3-4 years down the line is silly with how easily restructures are made.

Plus there is a thing called the draft. Anyone drafted has a very low cap number for 4 years. You got 6 million in dead money coutning right now coming off the books for KVB as well next year.

To sum it up, Lewand and Mayhew got this

 

[zyxt9]

Calvin is low this year and next year. Then restructure again in year 4 or do what they did with Fitzgerald or what Brady did with another extension. Or the Lions are already proving they can handle one giant number with Suh's cap number this year. They are 8 under with two giant numbewrs right now. Stafford we'll see if it's backloaded or not. Suh is already counting a ton, a new deal will be much lower based on the DT market. And Avril won't see the big numbers on those deals, he's low for 3 years in that scenario. Plenty of ways to make it work. You concerning yourself about 3-4 years down the line is silly with how easily restructures are made.

Plus there is a thing called the draft. Anyone drafted has a very low cap number for 4 years. You got 6 million in dead money coutning right now coming off the books for KVB as well next year.

To sum it up, Lewand and Mayhew got this

lmao...you have to pay these guys eventually. you act like you can continually restructure their deals and never pay them what was agreed to. the current G money comes into play and will hit against the cap when you restructure yet again. otherwise GMs would continually have contracts that offer a low pay for first several years then renegotiate and never have to pay the big money. players aren't going to agree to that unless there is big G money involved and that money still hits the cap.

i know all about the rookie cap, but you forget that those guys eventually come off their contracts and then they get paid like the big boys. sure you can let them hit FA and go back to the draft again, but you better be getting quality starters in every draft, something Mayhew has yet to do.

your short term plan has very serious and real long term consequences, no matter how much you try to restructure and rely on increases in cap numbers, you will have to pay the piper eventually. where do you think that 6 mil in "dead money" came from? you'd have 25% of the teams cap tied up as dead money and still sign 4 guys to another 25% so now you are at only having 50% (or less) of cap available to pay 49 players. i'm not sure you could even swing that with vet minimum for all of those guys, and they would be lucky to win a single game.

 

[zyxt9]

if lewand and mayhew re-sign avril, then they clearly do NOT "got this", not even close.

 

[wheels002]

I dont think many of us want to see Avril as a Lion anymore. I wish they would have tried to trade him last year but oh well.

 

[LKP]

lmao...you have to pay these guys eventually. you act like you can continually restructure their deals and never pay them what was agreed to. the current G money comes into play and will hit against the cap when you restructure yet again. otherwise GMs would continually have contracts that offer a low pay for first several years then renegotiate and never have to pay the big money. players aren't going to agree to that unless there is big G money involved and that money still hits the cap.

i know all about the rookie cap, but you forget that those guys eventually come off their contracts and then they get paid like the big boys. sure you can let them hit FA and go back to the draft again, but you better be getting quality starters in every draft, something Mayhew has yet to do.

your short term plan has very serious and real long term consequences, no matter how much you try to restructure and rely on increases in cap numbers, you will have to pay the piper eventually. where do you think that 6 mil in "dead money" came from? you'd have 25% of the teams cap tied up as dead money and still sign 4 guys to another 25% so now you are at only having 50% (or less) of cap available to pay 49 players. i'm not sure you could even swing that with vet minimum for all of those guys, and they would be lucky to win a single game.

You pay the piper on new guranteed money only(but it's spread out over time) and the Lions are paying some of the piper this year with Stafford and Suh as the higher bonus money is counting in their cap numbers as we speak. Those restructures that happened are in Stafford and Suhs cap numbers this year and next year. But to counter that they' extend Stafford and start with a low base salary to smooth it. Guranteed money gets high, make the salary low. You can smooth things out by manipulating the base salary and having extensions which spreads new bonuses over a longer period of time. The piper is being paid right now on Stafford and Suh and it's not killing the Lions.

Like I said we have a draft picks with bargain basement prices for 4 years apiece coming in 2013-2016, 2014-2017, 2015-2018(every year), 6 million free for KVB next year and the ability to restructure and extend contracts. The Lions will not have to cut any talented players. Losing KVB/Peterman was more performance than cap.

Avril is a good player who has made plays for the Lions. Mayhew has already offered one extension and is in discusssions at the combine with his agent. Avril could be back and the Lions will be able to fit him in the next 3 years.

 

[Mitchrapp]

You pay the piper on new guranteed money only(but it's spread out over time) and the Lions are paying some of the piper this year with Stafford and Suh as the higher bonus money is counting in their cap numbers as we speak. Those restructures that happened are in Stafford and Suhs cap numbers this year and next year. But to counter that they' extend Stafford and start with a low base salary to smooth it. Guranteed money gets high, make the salary low. You can smooth things out by manipulating the base salary and having extensions which spreads new bonuses over a longer period of time. The piper is being paid right now on Stafford and Suh and it's not killing the Lions.

Like I said we have a draft picks with bargain basement prices for 4 years apiece coming in 2013-2016, 2014-2017, 2015-2018(every year), 6 million free for KVB next year and the ability to restructure and extend contracts. The Lions will not have to cut any talented players. Losing KVB/Peterman was more performance than cap.

Avril is a good player who has made plays for the Lions. Mayhew has already offered one extension and is in discusssions at the combine with his agent. Avril could be back and the Lions will be able to fit him in the next 3 years.

This has nothing to do with Mayhew and if he likes Avril. The Lions DO NOT have the cash to make it happen. He gone.

 

[zyxt9]

the mere fact mayhew is wasting time trying to negotiate with avril is an indication of mismanagement.

 

[LKP]

This has nothing to do with Mayhew and if he likes Avril. The Lions DO NOT have the cash to make it happen. He gone.

Yes they do and I proved they could. They are 8 million under, can get 10 million more space with Stafford and 2.9 from Robiskie/Thomas/Johnson, plus they could make other restructures that won't be future killers with Tulloch/Calvin.

20 million under is plenty to be players in free agency.