CIA torture report

[Michchamp]

That was my own person opinion, so I don't see how anyone can tell me it's not true.

i meant it to apply to the last sentence where you said you could never watch another movie if you were required to parse out the undue influence from it.

I think there's a pretty clear standard here. to take a stab at defining it: if a movie furthers the government view and is made with cooperation of the government or government officials, it's propaganda, not just a movie, no matter how much additional fluff is added, or how much the director/writer hem and haw about their involvement.

in this case, "the government" is "the people that pushed torture policies and/or tortured are still trying to cover themselves and their legacy from scrutiny"

 

[tinselwolverine]

What's sad is a thread about the torture report have devolved into a 4 page argument about a few relatively low budget action movies.

Oh.

My apologies, but I've been finding the ludicrousness of that pretty amusing.

I will point out that Zero Dark Thirty was specifically enumerated in the OP though.

 

[Michchamp]

Oh.

My apologies, but I've been finding the ludicrousness of that pretty amusing.

I will point out that Zero Dark Thirty was specifically enumerated in the OP though.

and then in the first reply, that was the comment thumb took issue with.

I would say that was "KAWDUP-esque" of him, but then KAWDUP will show up and say a bunch of crap... ah whatever, it's just too descriptive of how one "throws a thread off the rails, then complains about the thread going off the rails"

 

[Gulo Blue]

i meant it to apply to the last sentence where you said you could never watch another movie if you were required to parse out the undue influence from it.

I think there's a pretty clear standard here. to take a stab at defining it: if a movie furthers the government view and is made with cooperation of the government or government officials, it's propaganda, not just a movie, no matter how much additional fluff is added, or how much the director/writer hem and haw about their involvement.

in this case, "the government" is "the people that pushed torture policies and/or tortured are still trying to cover themselves and their legacy from scrutiny"

I don't think that's clear at all. "The government view"? So what? Do we include M*A*S*H? What about Red Dawn? You wouldn't ban the Wolverines, would you?

 

[tinselwolverine]

I don't think that's clear at all. "The government view"? So what? Do we include M*A*S*H? What about Red Dawn? You wouldn't ban the Wolverines, would you?

I wouldn't hesitate a minute to ban the Wolverines of the recent Red Dawn where we got invaded by the Koreans; that movie sucked, I couldn't even watch it to the end.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Oh.

My apologies, but I've been finding the ludicrousness of that pretty amusing.

I will point out that Zero Dark Thirty was specifically enumerated in the OP though.

Don't worry about . The one point we probably all agree on was made by Sbee on page 1 about nobody going to jail. Since that's already cleared up, we don't need to stick to the heavy lifting.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I wouldn't hesitate a minute to ban the Wolverines of the recent Red Dawn where we got invaded by the Koreans; that movie sucked, I couldn't even watch it to the end.

Oh. Yeah. I didn't mean them.

 

[Michchamp]

I don't think that's clear at all. "The government view"? So what? Do we include M*A*S*H? What about Red Dawn? You wouldn't ban the Wolverines, would you?

Red... read more carefully. M*A*S*H was not made with the cooperation of the Department of Defense. the rule does not apply.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Red... read more carefully. M*A*S*H was not made with the cooperation of the Department of Defense. the rule does not apply.

You sure? Nobody with any experience was consulted for anything?

 

[KAWDUP]

and then in the first reply, that was the comment thumb took issue with.

I would say that was "KAWDUP-esque" of him, but then KAWDUP will show up and say a bunch of crap... ah whatever, it's just too descriptive of how one "throws a thread off the rails, then complains about the thread going off the rails"

LOL - the master baiter strikes again.

It's OK, you can just heap this post onto the hill of crap that I will show up and say in a thread.

Doesn't compare to the mountain that you show up and say, but I get my licks in.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Anyways, doing a quick spin around the web, I don't see anyone claiming that the CIA or any government entity had any influence in the script or the production.

I've seen claims that the film makers were given, I'll describe it as "preferential" access to classified information (this would have been during the Obama Administration) but both the film makers and the Administration deny this.

I looked at a number of sources and I'm not going to post any links, but anybody can look it all up themselves.