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[motown1958]

Calvin has been playing this entire year with a messed up knee and we dont even know the severity. I have seen rumors of a partially torn PCL and you say he has regressed while still being the best WR on the planet. This ruins all football credibility for you.

 

[mhughes0021]

Calvin has been playing this entire year with a messed up knee and we dont even know the severity. I have seen rumors of a partially torn PCL and you say he has regressed while still being the best WR on the planet. This ruins all football credibility for you.

how does it ruin my credibility lol? They aren't my numbers? I posted his numbers.....his actual numbers from the game......the 2nd half of the season has been below par for him. If you like below par better than regressed than so be it....but to me they are the same thing.

So after you so adamantly disagree with me then you start to give excuses WHY he has regressed by saying hes playing with an injury? which one is it???

 

[Mitchrapp]

how does it ruin my credibility lol? They aren't my numbers? I posted his numbers.....his actual numbers from the game......the 2nd half of the season has been below par for him. If you like below par better than regressed than so be it....but to me they are the same thing.

But you're going on number of catches and targets. Why not add up the flybys and the totally missed by a mile and see if he becomes better. I'm surprised a WR can get 1500 yards with a QB throwing at 58%.

 

[mhughes0021]

So how is not catching enough of his targets his fault? We know our QB is inconsistent as hell. 6 for 100 is pedestrian? He's had a few more drops and a couple of those were big but when the QB is a 58% thrower what do you want?

I would have said Calvin has had a bad game or two, maybe, but as far as the season he's about the best.

lol youre being the anti tony with this argument. Tony says its all on the WRs....you say its ALL on Stafford. In reality its on both of them.....if youre "the best in the game" you shouldn't be catching passes at 50% a clip.

 

[tomdalton22]

But you're going on number of catches and targets. Why not add up the flybys and the totally missed by a mile and see if he becomes better. I'm surprised a WR can get 1500 yards with a QB throwing at 58%.

Josh Gordon has almost 1600 yards (missed 2 games due to his suspension) with QBs that complete 55% of their passes. He may be the best WR in the game over the next 5 years (if he can stay out of trouble!!!)

 

[Mitchrapp]

Josh Gordon has almost 1600 yards (missed 2 games due to his suspension) with QBs that complete 55% of their passes. He may be the best WR in the game over the next 5 years (if he can stay out of trouble!!!)

He had been on fire lately. Calvin did miss a game himself. But point taken. But 50% of his targets are caught I bet more than 40% were not catchable, 'hughes.

 

[tomdalton22]

He had been on fire lately. Calvin did miss a game himself. But point taken. But 50% of his targets are caught I bet more than 40% were not catchable, 'hughes.

Gordon is a beast. Too bad the Lions didn't take a gamble on him vs. guys like J Best, Titus Young, Broyles, etc.

 

[mhughes0021]

Gordon is a beast. Too bad the Lions didn't take a gamble on him vs. guys like J Best, Titus Young, Broyles, etc.

Duh, its in the mayhem handguilde to failure.....youre only allowed to take risks on players when they are coming off devastating head injuries, Major surgeries or belong in a mental institution. God forbid we take risks on guys that put up huge numbers with Brandon Weeden as their starting qb.

 

[tonyballs]

bottom line is we need to get away from the big 3 contracts if were ever going to put a complete team on the field.

We would be in even worse cap hell if they trade him. Stop the madness, bro..

 

[mhughes0021]

We would be in even worse cap hell if they trade him. Stop the madness, bro..

im not saying trade him.....everyone keeps saying we need to restructure more.....that's the madness! stop restructuring the already shitty contracts so we can get rid of the damn things lol.

 

[tonyballs]

lol youre being the anti tony with this argument. Tony says its all on the WRs....you say its ALL on Stafford. In reality its on both of them.....if youre "the best in the game" you shouldn't be catching passes at 50% a clip.

Ummmmmm, wrong buddy. Do you ever pay attention? I blamed both our weapons and Stafford. People on this board are destroying Stafford and im saying both parties are at fault. Dont fn put words in my mouth, bro ..cmon. Dont be a fn idiot.

And youre saying CJ has regressed? Now trade him? Youre beyond delusional ...lol. Great idea.

Judging Suh off sacks? Again, your football knowledge is horrible. He'one of the best, if not THEE best DTs in the game. He plays the run, pressures the QB, demands doubleteams all day and wrecks havoc.

Not trading a 25 yr old franchise QB either. Cap hit is murder and he's not the only problem.

Do you think before you even type?

 

[tonyballs]

im not saying trade him.....everyone keeps saying we need to restructure more.....that's the madness! stop restructuring the already shitty contracts so we can get rid of the damn things lol.

but youre saying "get rid" of one of the contracts. what else are you saying then, release one of them? even worse lol.

if anything, i can maybe see them trying to unload Suh. only because of Fairley and the money Suh is going to get. i think its a mistake because Suh is the best in the biz. i would rather they let Fairley go and work on Suh but that might not happen

 

[Cliff]

If you can keep those guys under contract you do it, period. You can't replace the talent, period. Improve with the draft and FA signings to round out the roster. It's not rocket science we just suck all the time at pretty much everything.

 

[Mitchrapp]

If you can keep those guys under contract you do it, period. You can't replace the talent, period. Improve with the draft and FA signings to round out the roster. It's not rocket science we just suck all the time at pretty much everything.

Problem with that is Staff isn't earning what he makes. 58% will never get it done. That's two years now. We drafted an average QB at #1 and paid him a fortune.

 

[Cliff]

Problem with that is Staff isn't earning what he makes. 58% will never get it done. That's two years now. We drafted an average QB at #1 and paid him a fortune.

I don't argue. He isn't getting it done. However they won't make a move on him. It doesn't make sense to. Make him perform or sink, that's it.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Yep.

 

[tonyballs]

Problem with that is Staff isn't earning what he makes. 58% will never get it done. That's two years now. We drafted an average QB at #1 and paid him a fortune.

I agree that Stafford isnt earning his money but he isnt getting any help either with huge dtops and fumbles. he needs more help.

 

[mhughes0021]

I agree that Stafford isnt earning his money but he isnt getting any help either with huge dtops and fumbles. he needs more help.

almost posted this earlier....but then I remembered he had one of the best passing olines in football, the best WR in football, one of the best RBs out of the back field, a significantly improved running game....then I thought....shit....what the fuck else does the guy need to be successful?

So now we need to go try a new coach, new ocord...all this cause Stafford sucked ass for the entire second half of the year. The kid is dictating way too much of what we do....and we have to do it....he has us handcuffed. New guy cliff is right....we HAVE to try it ...and if it doesn't work....we get to look forward to rebuilding....again.

 

[tonyballs]

Problem with that is Staff isn't earning what he makes. 58% will never get it done. That's two years now. We drafted an average QB at #1 and paid him a fortune.

almost posted this earlier....but then I remembered he had one of the best passing olines in football, the best WR in football, one of the best RBs out of the back field, a significantly improved running game....then I thought....shit....what the fuck else does the guy need to be successful?

So now we need to go try a new coach, new ocord...all this cause Stafford sucked ass for the entire second half of the year. The kid is dictating way too much of what we do....and we have to do it....he has us handcuffed. New guy cliff is right....we HAVE to try it ...and if it doesn't work....we get to look forward to rebuilding....again.

Yeah, with no other option at the #2 and #3 WR position. A TE that fn scares nobody and a LEAGUE LEADING amount of drops. Plus, how many fn fumbles do we have? Fuck that! How many RED ZONE fumbles does this team have? Stafford isnt playing up to par but he's getting fucked in the process. It goes both ways. Why cant you acknowledge that? Because he makes stupid money? Absolute bullshit and you know it.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I can't see anyone saying Staff had proper offensive weapons. Cj alone is not enough. With that being said, even if the top WR are me, lkp and Tony you need to be much better than 58%.

I just hope we get a very good coach.