Cohen to Prison

[sggatecl]

Sure. Collusion hasn't been proven as far as we know. How long have I been saying on this board that it's more likely to be about something other than collusion. You have to give Trump credit for branding this as a collusion investigation. His fans zero right in on that.

Bingo. They're trying to control a narrative even though they're not holding any of the cards. NOBODY has any clue what else The Mueller has to offer right now or in the future. Any assumptions are that and only that.

 

[JScottWriter]

Wasn't the precedent for going off the rails on an investigation set with Starr and the Whitewater/Lewinsky stuff? As long as crooks are being busted, I don't give a shit. These are the dirty deeds that always go unpunished. If they made tigermuds wet dream come true and found similiar violations of the Clinton Foundation, I'd welcome it. Fuck em all. Embrace the purge. It's Mueller Time.

Exactly, I don't care what politicians get caught up in this. If they broke the law then send them away.

 

[Spartanmack]

OoooOOOH LOOK AT ME!

i watch NPR now, not Fox News.

every time I read a post I wonder if you could get dumber, more juvenile or more petty and every time the answer is yes.

 

[Spartanmack]

Wasn't the precedent for going off the rails on an investigation set with Starr and the Whitewater/Lewinsky stuff? As long as crooks are being busted, I don't give a shit. These are the dirty deeds that always go unpunished. If they made tigermuds wet dream come true and found similiar violations of the Clinton Foundation, I'd welcome it. Fuck em all. Embrace the purge. It's Mueller Time.

If you consider lying to Congress, making campaign finance violations, tax violations, and lying to banks all 'political jay walking equivalents' then I think it shows how much this show of justice was necessary.

Republicans recovered pretty quickly after Nixon when they held him accountable for being a fuck head. I don't know why they're so reluctant to do the same now. I mean I do know, it just bums me out.

This isn't about the investigation going off track. I would agree with this if the dirty deeds were getting punished but they're not. They're going after Trump because he doesn't fit into neatly into either the D or R box with the establishment. If I thought this was the beginning of the purge and warning for those to come, I'd be all for it. But it's not, it's sheer hypocrisy, and a warning to those who don't play nice in the sandbox or more correctly, the swamp.

 

[Spartanmack]

Not uniquely unqualified. Just unqualified.

I think you know that's not true. To my knowledge, there have been 2 high profile cases involving people going to prison for campaign finance laws, one was an anti-Obama conservative and the other a Trump confidant. The very liberal Alan Dershowitz called what Cohen did the equivalent of jaywalking, those weren't my words.

If you can find other folks with similar violations who went to prison for any amount of time, let me know but I don't think you will. And I could go on and on about all the sham investigations into other politicians that resulted in not a single convictions and barely ever any charges. You're being na?ve if you think Trump isn't unique in the eyes of the powers that be.

 

[TheVictors]

but what about .....

 

[Spartanmack]

Sure. Collusion hasn't been proven as far as we know. How long have I been saying on this board that it's more likely to be about something other than collusion. You have to give Trump credit for branding this as a collusion investigation. His fans zero right in on that.

not as much credit as I give the DNC, the DOJ and FBI for branding these misdeads as more worthy of jail time than any other politician lying under oath or violating campaign finance laws.

 

[Spartanmack]

but what about .....

what about what? maybe you should just stick to profanity riddled rants about Trump.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I think you know that's not true. To my knowledge, there have been 2 high profile cases involving people going to prison for campaign finance laws, one was an anti-Obama conservative and the other a Trump confidant. The very liberal Alan Dershowitz called what Cohen did the equivalent of jaywalking, those weren't my words.

If you can find other folks with similar violations who went to prison for any amount of time, let me know but I don't think you will. And I could go on and on about all the sham investigations into other politicians that resulted in not a single convictions and barely ever any charges. You're being na?ve if you think Trump isn't unique in the eyes of the powers that be.

You just moved the goal posts from being worthy of being POTUS to a prison sentence. From a statement of opinion to a statement of fact. Otherwise, what does 'unique' have to do with it?

 

[Michchamp]

Die-hard Trump defender Strawmanhack has been staying true to form, I see.

 

[Spartanmack]

You just moved the goal posts from being worthy of being POTUS to a prison sentence. From a statement of opinion to a statement of fact. Otherwise, what does 'unique' have to do with it?

Here we go again - no, I didn't move the goalpost. Handing out prison terms to people associated with him and/or his campaign for petty crimes other politicians get a slap on the wrist for is all part of the same campaign to discredit Trump. That's not moving the goal post, it's pointing out how his indiscretions and those of people associated with him are viewed as "uniquely" bad and thus he is uniquely unqualified to be POTUS, when others have consistently gotten away with similar or far worse crimes. That's also not whataboutism - it's calling out hypocrisy and phony outrage of people who want to throw the book at him because he doesn't toe the line of the establishment.

 

[Spartanmack]

Die-hard Trump defender Strawmanhack has been staying true to form, I see.

as are you, resorting to name calling and trying to write witty dismissive one-liners because you don't have facts on your side and as usual, you're out of your depth intellectually.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Here we go again - no, I didn't move the goalpost. Handing out prison terms to people associated with him and/or his campaign for petty crimes other politicians get a slap on the wrist for is all part of the same campaign to discredit Trump. That's not moving the goal post, it's pointing out how his indiscretions and those of people associated with him are viewed as "uniquely" bad and thus he is uniquely unqualified to be POTUS, when others have consistently gotten away with similar or far worse crimes. That's also not whataboutism - it's calling out hypocrisy and phony outrage of people who want to throw the book at him because he doesn't toe the line of the establishment.

I have no idea how this is supposed to support the idea that the shift from whether or not he's qualified to whether or not he should go to prison isn't moving the goalposts. Those two things are different. Even if you see them as related, they are not the same thing.

 

[TheVictors]

"the very liberal alan dershowitz ......:lmao::lmao::lmao:

 

[Spartanmack]

"the very liberal alan dershowitz ......:lmao::lmao::lmao:

do you actually think he's not? :lmao::lmao::lmao:

 

[Spartanmack]

I have no idea how this is supposed to support the idea that the shift from whether or not he's qualified to whether or not he should go to prison isn't moving the goalposts. Those two things are different. Even if you see them as related, they are not the same thing.

I have no idea how to make it simpler for you to see. And when did I say he should or shouldn't go to prison? or that I see those two related ideas as the same thing?

the fact that people are going to prison for the same things others barely get a slap on the wrist or not even that is telling. It's not difficult to see that establishment members of both parties view Trump as unique based on these outcomes. I have no idea how to make that more clear.

 

[sggatecl]

"the very liberal alan dershowitz ......:lmao::lmao::lmao:

do you actually think he's not? :lmao::lmao::lmao:

I had to actually Google the guy, had no clue who he was. Found this little bit:

Trump turns to Dershowitz as Mueller probe escalates.

 

[Spartanmack]

I had to actually Google the guy, had no clue who he was. Found this little bit:

Trump turns to Dershowitz as Mueller probe escalates.

The left loves to eat their own when someone steps off the reservation on any issue (see Professor Brett Weinstein). The fact that he cares more about the rule of law than the leftist agenda doesn't mean he's not a liberal Democrat, it just means he's not a leftist moron.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I have no idea how to make it simpler for you to see. And when did I say he should or shouldn't go to prison? or that I see those two related ideas as the same thing?

the fact that people are going to prison for the same things others barely get a slap on the wrist or not even that is telling. It's not difficult to see that establishment members of both parties view Trump as unique based on these outcomes. I have no idea how to make that more clear.

Well, I do see it as pretty simple. I made a post about him not being qualified in response to your statement, that I quoted, about a hypocritical standard of being qualified.



You shifted to talking about whether or not people have or should go to prison.

 

[Spartanmack]

Well, I do see it as pretty simple. I made a post about him not being qualified in response to your statement, that I quoted, about a hypocritical standard of being qualified.



You shifted to talking about whether or not people have or should go to prison.

If you meant that to be your opinion, then that post was pretty meaningless. If you meant it to be the motivating factor for those involved in these investigations and/or cheering them on, then it's simply wrong. I responded as if you meant the latter. My point is the people going after him view him as uniquely unqualified and I didn't shift to talking about something else. I used those as examples that support my point that he and people associated with him are being treated differently, uniquely even, than others who did similar or worse things as part of other administrations or campaigns.

As for your personal opinion of his qualifications, I would say he's more qualified than Barack Obama, Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton or Liz Warren and probably as qualified as any POTUS since, but not including Reagan. This is not a comprehensive list nor is it meant to make the argument that he's actually qualified or deserving of the Presidency. It's just a list of people off the top of my head who have had or sought the office.