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Comey

Gulo Blue

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Anybody else (that thinks Trump the worst) think Comey has gone too far and too public with his Trump criticism? If Trump wants to make arguments about people being biased against him in the FBI, Comey is helping him at this point.
 
I don't see how. I watched the interview last night but don't plan to buy any book. Comey seems to be very much like a career law enforcement guy. I don't think the FBI or any other agency is biased against the President ...but I do think that the FBI and other law enforcement/trade/financial agencies have reason to look into Trump the "business person" and the money laundering and business dealings with known shady and/or corrupt entities. I don't think when Trump was building back channels to Russian oligarchs, that he ever saw himself as President.

But now that he is ...and in part because of interference in our elections, he is beholden - being blackmailed - by Putin and his cronies to do their bidding. The instability and infighting under Trump is a distraction from what is truly good for the nation and having a career criminal as POTUS is not good for the American people or its interests.

If there is nothing to these investigations, then those being investigated wouldn't be acting guilty.

But they are ...acting VERY guilty and without much of a strategy. When your entire life is spent trying to fleece others from their money to line your own pockets, there isn't much long term thinking or planning.


Trump wakes up every day with no idea what to do and watches Fox and Friends all morning. His Policy by Tweet approach is basically regurgitating the one news outlet in the US that is quite honestly FAKE NEWS. It's not FAKE news just because it isn't flattering to Trump, but that's how he sees it. He's pathetic, little narcissist who is in WAY over his head at this point.

Comey to me is just fighting fire with fire in a way that Trump operates - out in the media and in a salacious manner.

I hope Trump gets everything coming to him and more and that this Fall the elections reflect the fact that nearly three of four Americans thinks he's an incompetent, reality TV shitbag.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/michael-cohen-and-the-end-stage-of-the-trump-presidency
 
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Comey's got a book to pimp into bestseller level, and he is a Republican himself, not like he was/is a Democrat who is trying to make book off of Drumpf.

The Quitter Jason Chaffetz and Comey are partly responsible for the rigged selection and coronation of Hair Furor, with their "October Surprise"
 
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Comey to me is just fighting fire with fire in a way that Trump operates - out in the media and in a salacious manner.

That's kind of the problem. Doing things Trump's way. If there are actual impeachable offenses here, deal with them as laid out by our laws and if you're going to write a book, do it after the legal process has played out. Playing Trump's game Trump's way just gives him and those that defend him something to use as a justification.
 
That's kind of the problem. Doing things Trump's way. If there are actual impeachable offenses here, deal with them as laid out by our laws and if you're going to write a book, do it after the legal process has played out. Playing Trump's game Trump's way just gives him and those that defend him something to use as a justification.


I just don't believe a guy who has lied a documented 2700 times since taking office over a career FBI agent. I think in a normal world, the process would play out as you suggest but in a Trump world, it doesn't. If anything, maybe Comey is sticking it to Trump in defense of himself, the FBI & McCabe and knows that a book like his will be a pain in Trump's ass for a while as his administration continues to spiral.

The raid on Cohen's office and the evidence used to get the warrant is FAR more significant and damaging than Comey's book. I'm sure the producers at Fox are in scramble mode in trying to give Trump talking points..

been awfully quiet this morning. I think someone is upset..
 
I just don't believe a guy who has lied a documented 2700 times since taking office over a career FBI agent. I think in a normal world, the process would play out as you suggest but in a Trump world, it doesn't. If anything, maybe Comey is sticking it to Trump in defense of himself, the FBI & McCabe and knows that a book like his will be a pain in Trump's ass for a while as his administration continues to spiral.

The raid on Cohen's office and the evidence used to get the warrant is FAR more significant and damaging than Comey's book. I'm sure the producers at Fox are in scramble mode in trying to give Trump talking points..

been awfully quiet this morning. I think someone is upset..

But it's not a matter of believing one guy or the other. It's a matter of investigating and following laws. Didn't Miami get away with tons of violations because of how badly the NCAA screwed up the investigation? The NCAA exposed all sorts of problems, but they did it the wrong way and let Miami off the hook in the process.
 
That's kind of the problem. Doing things Trump's way. If there are actual impeachable offenses here, deal with them as laid out by our laws and if you're going to write a book, do it after the legal process has played out. Playing Trump's game Trump's way just gives him and those that defend him something to use as a justification.

The only thing laid out by our law is that the House of Representatives decides what are or what aren't impeachable offenses, and a president is impeached by a simple majority vote.

It takes two thirds of the Senate to remove a president who has been impeached in the House.

I guess the House, then the Senate, can take into account outcomes of investigations in making their determinations, if they want to; but they're the only entities with any legal authority.

Edit: Also, Comey has the same first amendment rights as anybody else. Nobody can stop him from publishing a book if that's what he wants to do.
 
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The only thing laid out by our law is that the House of Representatives decides what are or what aren't impeachable offenses, and a president is impeached by a simple majority vote.

It takes two thirds of the Senate to remove a president who has been impeached in the House.

I guess the House, then the Senate, can take into account outcomes of investigations in making their determinations, if they want to; but they're the only entities with any legal authority.

Edit: Also, Comey has the same first amendment rights as anybody else. Nobody can stop him from publishing a book if that's what he wants to do.

I wouldn't have guessed it was that simple. I also don't fully understand what role impeachment plays in removing a president from office. Seems like these days, if the Senate reaches a supermajority, they'd find a reason to impeach a president from the other party if that's all there was to it.

OK...after googling, I guess there hasn't been a supermajority since the 60's.

I don't question Comey's right to publish, I just think it's a bad idea. Every director of the FBI probably has interesting stories to tell and make a buck from, and every FBI Director is probably full of political opinions they have every right to voice. With regard to political motives, I think this is counterproductive. With regard to money, I have no reason to accuse Comey of putting personal profit above concerns with how this could impact the politics, but I'd object to that if I believed that was the driver. So either way, I think this is a bad move.
 
Anybody else (that thinks Trump the worst) think Comey has gone too far and too public with his Trump criticism? If Trump wants to make arguments about people being biased against him in the FBI, Comey is helping him at this point.

I generally try to stay informed and keep abreast of important issues going on in the world around me, but this spitball fight between Comey and Trump seems like something I can just ignore.

much like the Trump-Russia investigation, which is also a sideshow intended to distract everyone from the actual bad shit going on, like bad tax cut deals, runaway military campaigns with no end, and gutted regulatory agencies now openly serving corporate entities to screw the public.
 
But it's not a matter of believing one guy or the other. It's a matter of investigating and following laws. Didn't Miami get away with tons of violations because of how badly the NCAA screwed up the investigation? The NCAA exposed all sorts of problems, but they did it the wrong way and let Miami off the hook in the process.


But the OP was asking if the public nature of Comey's comments and book were helping Trump position he and the FBI as biased and "out to get him" and I don't think so. I think Comey - in the court of public opinion - is sticking up for himself while the legal/justice process plays out. Trump can blather all he wants about a "slimeball" he "barely knows" and a certain, stupid segment of the population believes him (and believes in pizza parlors and pedophile rings orchestrated by Hillary Clinton), but I don't think Comey being more public is helping convince intelligent people that he's got an agenda.

I have a friend who is very right-leaning and he accused me yesterday of "falling for Comey's PR bullshit ...his agenda to sell his book and profit off of Trump and his bias, etc. etc." and it was almost unbelievable to me that he'd assert such nonsense. In part, because, when it was "But Her Emails!" he was a very pro-Comey/let due process run its course/pro-FBI Republican.
 
... Every director of the FBI probably has interesting stories to tell and make a buck from, and every FBI Director is probably full of political opinions they have every right to voice. With regard to political motives, I think this is counterproductive. With regard to money, I have no reason to accuse Comey of putting personal profit above concerns with how this could impact the politics, but I'd object to that if I believed that was the driver. So either way, I think this is a bad move.


My best friend's Dad growing up was the President of NAPO - the National Association of Police Officers. A former Detroit Cop who was on the streets during the race riots in the 60's, he moved into the role as 'head lobbyist' for cops and worked in DC while living in Michigan/commuting. He worked under Reagan, Bush Sr. and Bill Clinton ...and as a lifelong Republican, had funny stories about all three and a characterization of them as President.

He said Reagan was a doofus with really smart advisors surrounding him and a great sense of patriotism. He described Bush Sr as the opposite - quite smart with his CIA background, but surrounded by bad advisors and not always able to make decisions. Clinton he described as the smartest by far of the three and the most personable. He said on the golf course, you could talk smack to Clinton but with other Presidents and Govt officials, you'd keep your mouth shut and/or suck up to them..


But ...with all the insight and stories and personal anecdotes, that's all they were. There were no criminal or vulgar personal stories to tell. I think in part Comey is different than past FBI directors because he was labeled as being biased against Clinton right up to the election and is now being slammed by Trump and being called all sorts of things.

In a Trump world, there is no dignity or integrity - he's a conman and a criminal and Comey - I think - is getting his story out ...without making it personal about Trump, beyond which that it is very much personal in that Trump makes everything about him.
 
A lot of new information has come out in the year since President Trump fired FBI Director James Comey. No matter whether you admire Trump, Comey, both or neither — it’s now difficult to argue that Trump made the wrong move in removing Comey. Even many of Trump’s detractors would agree that no president should keep in place the head of a crucial division who — along with some of his top staff — apparently worked to undermine or control the president, and exercised poor judgment in important matters.

Here are 12 ways Comey has proven Trump was right to fire him.

. Comey testified that it gave him a “queasy feeling” when then-Attorney General Loretta Lynch directed him to publicly refer to the Hillary Clinton classified email investigation as a “matter.” Yet, he did so anyway and did not raise objections.


2. Comey’s FBI, including allegedly his general counsel, was responsible for multiple leaks to the press with the apparent goal of politically helping Clinton or harming Trump. On the other hand, the FBI kept a closely-held secret any information that was favorable to Trump — such as the fact that Comey repeatedly told Trump he wasn’t under investigation.

3. Top FBI officials working under Comey conspired to develop an “insurance plan” in the event Trump were to be elected. (One possible implication is that they could not afford to have Trump officials poking around into what they or other U.S. intel agencies had been doing over the years.)

4. We now know that Comey apparently delayed notifying Congress that the FBI had discovered Hillary Clinton emails on the personal computer of soon-to-be convicted sexter Anthony Weiner (then husband of Clinton’s top aide, Huma Abedin), prior to the election.

5. Comey demonstrated bias or questionable judgment in selecting the man he trusted as his number two in February 2016: Andrew McCabe. Comey allowed McCabe to be involved in the FBI investigations into the Clinton Foundation and Clinton classified emails even though McCabe’s wife had received large sums of donor money from Clinton interests, including those of then-Virginia Governor Terry McAuliffe, who also was under FBI investigation at the time. (The FBI granted top Clinton staff immunity from prosecution, didn’t record her interview, drafted an exoneration letter in advance, and ultimately excused Clinton’s mishandling of classified information as not being willful.)

6. Comey allowed McCabe’s involvement in the Clinton-related investigations to continue until the week before the 2016 election. Only then did McCabe “recuse himself” after a Wall Street Journal article about the donations to McCabe’s wife. (McCabe has said he followed proper procedures and did nothing wrong.)

7. McCabe says he told Comey in October 2016 that he — McCabe — had authorized a leak of sensitive information to the Wall Street Journal shortly before the election. The Department of Justice’s Inspector General has since found the leak was to advance McCabe’s own interests and was in violation of FBI policy. (Comey says he doesn’t recall McCabe telling him this.)

8. After the election, Comey informed President-elect Trump about the lurid allegations against him in the so-called “Steele dossier,” but admitted in an interview this week that he withheld from Trump the fact that it was opposition research paid for by Hillary Clinton.

9. While acknowledging the “Steele dossier” contained “salacious and unverified” material, knowing it was produced with help from an ex-foreign spy and understanding that it relied on primary sources who were said to be close to Russian President Vladimir Putin, Comey apparently did not open an investigation into this effort to impact the U.S. election and undermine the American president.

10. Comey’s FBI used the “Steele dossier” to justify wiretaps before and after the election on an American citizen who was a Trump associate without disclosing that the “evidence” was political opposition research paid for by Trump’s opponent. This appears to be a violation of the FBI’s “Woods Procedures,” and possibly other policies.

11. Comey testified that after he was fired from the FBI, he secretly engineered a leak of FBI material to the New York Times for the political goal of prompting appointment of a special counsel to investigate Trump.

12. Comey has publicly disclosed content of private, personal conversations with President Trump, such as discussions about Trump’s wife’s feelings.

Trump may not have had the benefit of all of this information at the time he removed Comey, but in terms of whether Comey was the right person to serve as head of the FBI under the new administration, Trump’s instincts proved to be correct.

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-ho...upporting-trumps-decision-to-fire-james-comey
 
A lot of new information has come out in the year since President Trump fired FBI Director James Comey. No matter whether you admire Trump, Comey, both or neither ? it?s now difficult to argue that Trump made the wrong move in removing Comey. Even many of Trump?s detractors would agree that no president should keep in place the head of a crucial division who ? along with some of his top staff ? apparently worked to undermine or control the president, and exercised poor judgment in important matters....


http://thehill.com/opinion/white-ho...upporting-trumps-decision-to-fire-james-comey

The primary criticism of the firing I've heard is that Trump should have done it immediately after taking the Oath of Office.
 
The primary criticism of the firing I've heard is that Trump should have done it immediately after taking the Oath of Office.

He needs to fire Sessions and Rosenstein next. Rumor is sessions tried to resign early on but trump declined his offer. not sure if that's true or not. But it's probably not going to happen now. Sessions destroyed my maryjane investments. Jerk
 
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And now a judge compels Cohen to name his 3rd and previously unnamed client ....turns out its none other than Sean Hannity!


No wonder Trump was so worried following the raid and ran off at the twitter mouth so much about attorney/client priv yesterday. If Cohen has had non-legal communications being monitored all this time, you'd have to think there are a few smoking guns and a few other folks about to be caught up in this disaster that is the Trump presidency.
 
He needs to fire Sessions and Rosenstein next. Rumor is sessions tried to resign early on but trump declined his offer. not sure if that's true or not. But it's probably not going to happen now. Sessions destroyed my maryjane investments. Jerk


Do you have a position in AMZN too, by chance?
 
And now a judge compels Cohen to name his 3rd and previously unnamed client ....turns out its none other than Sean Hannity!


No wonder Trump was so worried following the raid and ran off at the twitter mouth so much about attorney/client priv yesterday. If Cohen has had non-legal communications being monitored all this time, you'd have to think there are a few smoking guns and a few other folks about to be caught up in this disaster that is the Trump presidency.

it's appalling

The attorney?client privilege WAS one of the oldest recognized privileges for confidential communications.
 
Do you have a position in AMZN too, by chance?

oh i'm sure I do. I don't particularly care for Bezos and his constant attacks on Trump through the Washington Post. If they are broken up I won't lose any sleep over it.
 
it's appalling

The attorney?client privilege WAS one of the oldest recognized privileges for confidential communications.


yeah ...you see that privilege is null when the communications are in furtherance of a crime or not related to legal matters being handled in the role of attorney. so lawyers - actual attorneys protecting clients - still enjoy the exact same privilege. In order to get a warrant in the first place - because of the sensitivity towards attorney-client privilege - you have to overcome a higher standard than a typical warrant. Judges don't like issuing them unless they have to ...and this judge had to.

"I'm going to arm myself with an AR-15 and go shoot people on the 16th street mall after lunch, but you're my lawyer so you can't say anything because of attorney-client"



not how that works.
 
oh i'm sure I do. I don't particularly care for Bezos and his constant attacks on Trump through the Washington Post. If they are broken up I won't lose any sleep over it.


well you're whining about your weed investments because of sessions so I'd assume you would object to a sitting president violating securities laws by slandering a publicly traded company and its CEO for personal reasons.
 
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