Comey

[Gulo Blue]

You need bob and turok level hatred of Trump to not see that the FBI and DOJ have been politicized and weaponized against Trump and probably Republicans/conservatives in general - just like Obama's IRS.

No you don't. Because I don't see it that way.

 

[Spartanmack]

No you don't. Because I don't see it that way.

I suppose you could just be naive either about how much you hate trump or how you see Comey's actions (and those of many other high ranking FBI and DOJ officials).

 

[Gulo Blue]

I suppose you could just be naive either about how much you hate trump or how you see Comey's actions (and those of many other high ranking FBI and DOJ officials).

People tend to think that way about how other people think. It's a common mistake.

I started this thread questioning Comey's statements.

 

[Spartanmack]

People tend to think that way about how other people think. It's a common mistake.

I started this thread questioning Comey's statements.

Overestimating their objectivity is another common mistake people make. You did start the thread questioning his statements but that doesn't mean you can't be biased, ignorant of your bias or just wrong.

I just don't see how anyone can look at how Trump has been treated from the beginning and the conclusions people draw with a tiny fraction of the evidence against him compared to what was known about Hillary and Obama for their transgressions and not conclude there is a difference in the way he's been treated or that the DOJ and FBI have been politicized and compromised.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Overestimating their objectivity is another common mistake people make. You did start the thread questioning his statements but that doesn't mean you can't be biased, ignorant of your bias or just wrong.

I just don't see how anyone can look at how Trump has been treated from the beginning and the conclusions people draw with a tiny fraction of the evidence against him compared to what was known about Hillary and Obama for their transgressions and not conclude there is a difference in the way he's been treated or that the DOJ and FBI have been politicized and compromised.

So what are you saying? You thinkI exhibit 'bob and turok level hatred of Trump'? Because I never claimed to be unbiased. Are we talking about a little bias, a fair amount of bias, or a whole lot of bias? I just don't think the FBI and the DOJ have been tuned against conservatives. Lots of them don't like Trump now; he's given them good reason. But Mueller's a long-time republican. Comey was a registered Republican most of his life. Rosenstein is a Republican.

 

[tinselwolverine]

...the FBI and DOJ have been politicized and weaponized against Trump and probably Republicans/conservatives in general - just like Obama's IRS.

I don't know.

I get politicized...everything is politicized by everyone in politics...but...weaponized...?

With what?

With Trump's own hand held device?

And by whom?

Debbie Wasserman Schultz? CNN?

And to what end?

To keep him continuing his nutty twitter rants?

The president of the United States - not just this one, any of them - is virtually completely out of reach of the law, with the exception of impeachment and removal by the Congress of the United States-highly unlikely, even if the Democrats win the House this fall.

The sole caveat I can think of is that the judicial branch can make decisions that could make a president vulnerable to impeachment; such was the case for both Nixon and Clinton.

Nixon resigned because a group of Republican Senators led by Barry Goldwater went to the White House on a summer afternoon to let him know that the votes were in place to impeach and remove him, primarily due to the tapes that demonstrated overwhelming evidence that Nixon had been complicit in obstruction of justice - everything leading up to that point meant fuck all.

I guess the official verdict in Clinton's Senatorial trial was "not guilty;" but that really was a foregone conclusion - no group of Senate Democrats needed to pay him a visit.

Impeachment notwithstanding, everything else is just one big circle jerk.

EDIT: Clicking on the Goldwater lead takes one to that annoying vigilink advertising/shopping site; anyone who wants to read the article needs to click on the "continue to new York times" link.

 

[Spartanmack]

So what are you saying? You thinkI exhibit 'bob and turok level hatred of Trump'? Because I never claimed to be unbiased. Are we talking about a little bias, a fair amount of bias, or a whole lot of bias? I just don't think the FBI and the DOJ have been tuned against conservatives. Lots of them don't like Trump now; he's given them good reason. But Mueller's a long-time republican. Comey was a registered Republican most of his life. Rosenstein is a Republican.

not necessarily bob and turok level hatred, like I said, it could just be you're na?ve about the double standard. Andrew McCabe is a Republican too and he actively tried to undermine and delegitimize Trump. maybe I should have just said "Trump and conservatives in general" and not "Trump and Republicans/conservatives in general" since there are so many RINO Republicans like McCabe, Kasich, Jeff Flake, Lindsay Graham, Paul Ryan, John McCain. Maybe they wouldn't have been as aggressive about linking another Republican to Russians if someone like Jeb won the nomination and the election but I doubt it and I have no doubt the DOJ and FBI wouldn't have been as soft on a Republican if they committed the crimes or transgressions like the ones people like Hillary, Obama, McAuliffe, Lois Lerner, etc got away with.

Edit: make that "Trump OR conservatives..." - I don't want anyone get the impression I think Trump is conservative.

 

[Spartanmack]

I don't know.

I get politicized...everything is politicized by everyone in politics...but...weaponized...?

With what?

With Trump's own hand held device?

And by whom?

Debbie Wasserman Schultz? CNN?

And to what end?

To keep him continuing his nutty twitter rants?

The president of the United States - not just this one, any of them - is virtually completely out of reach of the law, with the exception of impeachment and removal by the Congress of the United States-highly unlikely, even if the Democrats win the House this fall.

The sole caveat I can think of is that the judicial branch can make decisions that could make a president vulnerable to impeachment; such was the case for both Nixon and Clinton.

Nixon resigned because a group of Republican Senators led by Barry Goldwater went to the White House on a summer afternoon to let him know that the votes were in place to impeach and remove him, primarily due to the tapes that demonstrated overwhelming evidence that Nixon had been complicit in obstruction of justice - everything leading up to that point meant fuck all.

I guess the official verdict in Clinton's Senatorial trial was "not guilty;" but that really was a foregone conclusion - no group of Senate Democrats needed to pay him a visit.

Impeachment notwithstanding, everything else is just one big circle jerk.

EDIT: Clicking on the Goldwater lead takes one to that annoying vigilink advertising/shopping site; anyone who wants to read the article needs to click on the "continue to new York times" link.

I agree but the DOJ and FBI personnel aren't supposed to be political and they have been compromised - and it's not just Andrew McCabe who was undoubtedly politically motivated. Comey admitted he weighed political considerations in his decision making on Sunday night.

 

[Gulo Blue]

not necessarily bob and turok level hatred, like I said, it could just be you're na?ve about the double standard. Andrew McCabe is a Republican too and he actively tried to undermine and delegitimize Trump. maybe I should have just said "Trump and conservatives in general" and not "Trump and Republicans/conservatives in general" since there are so many RINO Republicans like McCabe, Kasich, Jeff Flake, Lindsay Graham, Paul Ryan, John McCain. Maybe they wouldn't have been as aggressive about linking another Republican to Russians if Jeb won the nomination and the election, but I have no doubt the DOJ and FBI wouldn't have been as soft on a Republican if they committed the crimes or transgressions like the ones people like Hillary, Obama, McAuliffe, Lois Lerner, etc got away with.


Edit: make that "Trump OR conservatives..." - I don't want anyone get the impression I think Trump is conservative.

Maybe you should have just said Trump. Who else has the FBI and DOJ been biased against?

 

[Michchamp]

Maybe you should have just said Trump. Who else has the FBI and DOJ been biased against?

um... unions, civil rights activists, Martin Luther King, Jr, African American activists, Immigration activists, communists, socialists, anti-war activists & pacifists... jeez.

basically anyone who's not For Bombing Everyone, or a bank... they're against them.

 

[tinselwolverine]

um... unions, civil rights activists, Martin Luther King, Jr, African American activists, Immigration activists, communists, socialists, anti-war activists & pacifists... jeez.

basically anyone who's not For Bombing Everyone, or a bank... they're against them.

They didn't really like bank robbers that much.

They shot quite a few of them, like Bonnie & Clyde and John Dillinger.

EDIT: Although pursued by the FBI, looks Bonnie & Clyde technically bought it from local law enforcement in Texas.

 

[Gulo Blue]

They didn't really like bank robbers that much.

They shot quite a few of them, like Bonnie & Clyde and John Dillinger.

EDIT: Although pursued by the FBI, looks Bonnie & Clyde technically bought it from local law enforcement in Texas.

Are bank robbers republican or democrat? I need to know so I can take a position for or against bank robbers.

 

[TheVictors]

Are bank robbers republican or democrat? I need to know so I can take a position for or against bank robbers.

Libertarians?


And what about the Pinkerton boys??? Surely Comey and McCabe have some connection, right?

 

[turok]

Are bank robbers republican or democrat? I need to know so I can take a position for or against bank robbers.

Obviously they back the Green Party.

 

[Spartanmack]

Maybe you should have just said Trump. Who else has the FBI and DOJ been biased against?

How about every conservative group targeted by the IRS? The DOJ and FBI both "investigated" the IRS for that scandal which involved en masse destruction of evidence as well as obstruction but they towed the line for Barry and basically let Lerner, Koskinen and everyone else off scot free.

 

[Gulo Blue]

How about every conservative group targeted by the IRS? The DOJ and FBI both "investigated" the IRS for that scandal which involved en masse destruction of evidence as well as obstruction but they towed the line for Barry and basically let Lerner, Koskinen and everyone else off scot free.

The results were biased, but I thought they had a hard time showing the process was designed to be biased.

Googled: Lerner and two other people resigned. Koskinen had an impeachment resolution filed against him, the House held hearings, but did not proceed further.

I'm not seeing it. I'm not seeing this as evidence that the FBI and DOJ have been weaponized against conservatives. People at the IRS sure, but the rest is a reach.

 

[KAWDUP]

I don't see how. I watched the interview last night but don't plan to buy any book. Comey seems to be very much like a career law enforcement guy. I don't think the FBI or any other agency is biased against the President ...but I do think that the FBI and other law enforcement/trade/financial agencies have reason to look into Trump the "business person" and the money laundering and business dealings with known shady and/or corrupt entities. I don't think when Trump was building back channels to Russian oligarchs, that he ever saw himself as President.

But now that he is ...and in part because of interference in our elections, he is beholden - being blackmailed - by Putin and his cronies to do their bidding. The instability and infighting under Trump is a distraction from what is truly good for the nation and having a career criminal as POTUS is not good for the American people or its interests.

If there is nothing to these investigations, then those being investigated wouldn't be acting guilty.

But they are ...acting VERY guilty and without much of a strategy. When your entire life is spent trying to fleece others from their money to line your own pockets, there isn't much long term thinking or planning.


Trump wakes up every day with no idea what to do and watches Fox and Friends all morning. His Policy by Tweet approach is basically regurgitating the one news outlet in the US that is quite honestly FAKE NEWS. It's not FAKE news just because it isn't flattering to Trump, but that's how he sees it. He's pathetic, little narcissist who is in WAY over his head at this point.

Comey to me is just fighting fire with fire in a way that Trump operates - out in the media and in a salacious manner.

I hope Trump gets everything coming to him and more and that this Fall the elections reflect the fact that nearly three of four Americans thinks he's an incompetent, reality TV shitbag.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/michael-cohen-and-the-end-stage-of-the-trump-presidency

Conjecture based on more conjecture based on supposition. If acting guilty was all it took to depose and/or jail a politician, they would all be in jail.

Comey is acting like a career law enforcement guy? LOL, not the ones that I know.

One small example in your rambling post. "Trump wakes up with nothing to do and watches Fox and Friends all morning" What a pile of BS. Show me some proof, or just be another partisan hack with your hair on fire over everything the man does.

Hard to take much of your post seriously at all.

 

[Michchamp]

...

One small example in your rambling post. "Trump wakes up with nothing to do and watches Fox and Friends all morning" What a pile of BS. Show me some proof, or just be another partisan hack with your hair on fire over everything the man does.

...

hahahaha What? Oh, you simply haven't been paying attention.

that's on you, buddy.

READ: here. here. or just do a search for "Trump watches Fox News + Tweets /or Twitter"

 

[tinselwolverine]

hahahaha What? Oh, you simply haven't been paying attention.

that's on you, buddy.

READ: here. here. or just do a search for "Trump watches Fox News + Tweets /or Twitter"

I thought it was pretty well known that Trump has been known to post supportive/congratulatory tweets about Fox & Friends news coverage pretty.

I don't pay much attention, but from other news sources the folks at Fox & Friends seem pretty happy when Trump tweets about them, and they love to report that he has tweeted.

I remember hearing a news clip of Trump's old buddy Democratic Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer of New York happily reporting that the president was once again at that particular time liking him again, in their decades long love/hate thing those two have goin' on, so I guess you can hardly blame Fox and Friends when Trump likes them, too.

I don't know what else he does when he gets up; I understand he's up pretty early; when he gets up before Fox & Friends is on I would guess he tweets about other shit.

How good or not good that is - or if it's a big "so what?" - I guess is in the eye of the beholder.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I thought it was pretty well known that Trump has been known to post supportive/congratulatory tweets about Fox & Friends news coverage pretty.

John Oliver has claimed to buy ads on Fox & Friends specifically targeting Trump.