Coronainsanity

[tinselwolverine]

Median is the number in the middle, which is different from the average.

1,2,3,4,5,6,1000

Median is 4
Average is 146

Okay, Professor.

What is your source?

Also, and this is subjective, but I would argue that “median” is much more representative of how much the average household income is.

Lumping Jeff Bezos in with everyone on this board, for example - which is ostensibly what you did in your sample - will make an artificially skewed result.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Okay, Professor.

What is your source?

Also, and this is subjective, but I would argue that ?median? is much more representative of how much the average household income is.

Lumping Jeff Bezos in with everyone on this board, for example - which is ostensibly what you did in your sample - will make an artificially skewed result.

According to this average was $87.8 K; median was $61.9 K.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Okay, Professor.

What is your source?

Also, and this is subjective, but I would argue that ?median? is much more representative of how much the average household income is.

Lumping Jeff Bezos in with everyone on this board, for example - which is ostensibly what you did in your sample - will make an artificially skewed result.

It is. I picked an example where it was bad to go with the average because it was a discussion involving a model where virus distribution varied by orders of magnitude. So in that situation, I was trying to make the point that average virus density was not the best approach.


Here's a mention of the average:
https://www.thebalance.com/what-is-average-income-in-usa-family-household-history-3306189

As expected, the mean family income was much higher, at $116,735. That's an 8.1% increase over the income of $107,966 in 2018. Mean family income has been rising since about 2012.

It cites this:
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MAFAINUSA672N

 

[Gulo Blue]

According to this average was $87.8 K; median was $61.9 K.

Your number might be the right one. 'Real' income has something to do with inflation adjustments, but I'm not sure why the difference is as big as it is. Inflation since when?

 

[byco42]

If everyone took that approach, I think a lot more people would have died. People start dying from a virus, we start doing general virus prevention stuff.

Like this, for example:

Over time we learn more about what seems to be working and what isn't and we adjust. I don't blame the experts for the stuff they've been wrong about because my impression is that there's no way to know these things with certainty until maybe long after it's too late (if ever).

Whatever I've done since the outset is working. I've not contracted it nor transmitted it. The "world's leading expert" sounds like someone with very little expertise. And, as illustrated, he's been seen mask-less and within six feet of other people numerous times.

So, what's his approach...again?

 

[Gulo Blue]

So, what's his approach...again?

If he's a total hypocrite, and I don't think these pictures prove that, but even if he is, that wouldn't change my understanding of this virus or what we should do about it.

 

[Michchamp]

This is good news. I like to see professions policing their ranks:

A San Francisco doctor [Thomas Cowan] infamous for spreading misinformation linking COVID-19 to 5G communications networks can no longer practice medicine after surrendering his license to California?s medical board. ​

I wonder if anyone posted his bullshit here?

 

[Gulo Blue]

This is good news. I like to see professions policing their ranks:

A San Francisco doctor [Thomas Cowan] infamous for spreading misinformation linking COVID-19 to 5G communications networks can no longer practice medicine after surrendering his license to California?s medical board. ​

I wonder if anyone posted his bullshit here?

I think I mentioned 5G spreads vaccine conspiracy theories.

 

[byco42]

If he's a total hypocrite, and I don't think these pictures prove that, but even if he is, that wouldn't change my understanding of this virus or what we should do about it.

I don't believe that Fauci is a hypocrite. Or no more than anyone else, myself included. My dilemma i that I have no true understanding of this virus, because the experts can't agree on what it is, or that it's changing, mutating and "evolving." The rush to vaccination is alarming, as is the methods to diagnose and determine cause of death, as is the social requirements that are being proposed to limit its spread, as is the "tiered-society" that is rapidly developing in reaction to CV, as is the visible degradation of social interaction in the past 12 months.

Were this as lethal as it is being portrayed in the media and by governments, we'd not need to be reminded of it every single day--the reaction is all out of proportion to the virus and it has compounded other negative results that were unnecessary, in selective fashion, by the way.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I don't believe that Fauci is a hypocrite. Or no more than anyone else, myself included. My dilemma i that I have no true understanding of this virus, because the experts can't agree on what it is, or that it's changing, mutating and "evolving." The rush to vaccination is alarming, as is the methods to diagnose and determine cause of death, as is the social requirements that are being proposed to limit its spread, as is the "tiered-society" that is rapidly developing in reaction to CV, as is the visible degradation of social interaction in the past 12 months.

Were this as lethal as it is being portrayed in the media and by governments, we'd not need to be reminded of it every single day--the reaction is all out of proportion to the virus and it has compounded other negative results that were unnecessary, in selective fashion, by the way.

Going from 2.85 million to 3.3 million deaths in a year, after all the effort we put in to trying to be safe, isn't deadly enough? After all our talking about this, I don't know what you think we should have done differently with the information we had. No masks, no distancing, more hand washing?

 

[Gulo Blue]

I'll tell you what I wish we could have done, with Monday morning QB hindsight. I wish we could have set up a program where people that lost work do to shutdown that meet some sort of screening could help with cleaning and distancing efforts that would help keep K-12 schools open. Like even today, we should have a task force figuring out how we could roll that out next fall just in case something goes wrong or just to have that plan if another virus comes along.

 

[byco42]

Going from 2.85 million to 3.3 million deaths in a year, after all the effort we put in to trying to be safe, isn't deadly enough? After all our talking about this, I don't know what you think we should have done differently with the information we had. No masks, no distancing, more hand washing?

First, assign some context to the numbers.

Link

Rather than promote blatant propaganda like this. Link

Second, apply some common-sense measures that keep all businesses operational. This is my main objection and, IMO, the biggest error of government.

Third, address -- actually, acknowledge -- the collateral damage caused by the lockdowns, particularly for children.

Fourth, focus on protecting the most vulnerable, rather than exposing them to COVID, as is the case now.

Finally, cease from linking COVID to political issues and to enact additional and permanent measures that will be far more harmful than the virus.

 

[Gulo Blue]

First, assign some context to the numbers.

Link

Rather than promote blatant propaganda like this. Link

Second, apply some common-sense measures that keep all businesses operational. This is my main objection and, IMO, the biggest error of government.

Third, address -- actually, acknowledge -- the collateral damage caused by the lockdowns, particularly for children.

Fourth, focus on protecting the most vulnerable, rather than exposing them to COVID, as is the case now.

Finally, cease from linking COVID to political issues and to enact additional and permanent measures that will be far more harmful than the virus.

I think that comparison is a bad comparison between the danger of flu vs covid because we put a lot more effort into stopping covid and it still killed as many as it killed.

Where did they get that number and why is it 3 times higher than this number?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017–2018_United_States_flu_season

Here it is straight from the CDC (where the NY Post claims it got it's data)
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2017-2018.htm

 

[Gulo Blue]

Maybe you won't buy this, but they estimated a 91% drop in flu rates this year (Nov 2020 vs Nov 2019)
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/flu-numbers-year-due-higher-vaccination-rates-amid/story?id=74783195

 

[byco42]

I think that comparison is a bad comparison between the danger of flu vs covid because we put a lot more effort into stopping covid and it still killed as many as it killed.

Where did they get that number and why is it 3 times higher than this number?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017–2018_United_States_flu_season

Here it is straight from the CDC (where the NY Post claims it got it's data)
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2017-2018.htm

The NYP number adds pneumonia and influenza. Not merely influenza.

The CDC estimated that about 177,000 Americans died during the 2017-2018 flu season, from either the flu itself or by complications of pneumonia.​

 

[Gulo Blue]

The NYP number adds pneumonia and influenza. Not merely influenza.

The CDC estimated that about 177,000 Americans died during the 2017-2018 flu season, from either the flu itself or by complications of pneumonia.​

I'm still looking for that number, on the link they provide. Might take a while.

I see it on this link now.

So that's fair and propaganda-ish, maybe. Flu is a specific disease and pneumonia is a symptom that could be triggered by flu or by covid or apparently by a ton of other stuff. I didn't realize there was twice as much non-flu pneumonia as there is flu - but even so, I think my first response stands, which is that we took exceptional steps to curb covid and it still killed a ton of people. Had we done nothing, I think common sense suggests it would have killed more. If you want to argue that we should do more about pneumonia, I'm listening, but if you think this means we should be cavalier about covid, I disagree.

Your 2nd point was about common sense steps to keep businesses open. I'm not sure which sense is common. I think that includes masks now. This was a big part of what I was asking.

I don't doubt you can find examples of people downplaying the impact this has on children, but I don't think that's a mainstream idea at all.

I agree wholeheartedly if you're talking about the cases of covid positive people being sent to nursing homes.

I wish covid never got political either. But the split between taking it seriously and not taking it seriously split in a partisan way.

 

[byco42]

I'm still looking for that number, on the link they provide. Might take a while.

Look at the chart in the article.

 

[byco42]

Maybe you won't buy this, but they estimated a 91% drop in flu rates this year (Nov 2020 vs Nov 2019)
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/flu-numbers-year-due-higher-vaccination-rates-amid/story?id=74783195

This December. 2020 article lost me with this BS first graf:

Hospitals across the U.S. are nearing critical capacity due to the rise in COVID-19 cases just as the winter flu season begins to threaten the country. Public officials and doctors worry that the worst is yet to come, but increased rates of flu vaccinations this year may help us avoid a further catastrophic stress on our health care system.​

The latest CDC stats on hospital capacity are as of July, 2020.

 

[Gulo Blue]

This December. 2020 article lost me with this BS first graf:

Hospitals across the U.S. are nearing critical capacity due to the rise in COVID-19 cases just as the winter flu season begins to threaten the country. Public officials and doctors worry that the worst is yet to come, but increased rates of flu vaccinations this year may help us avoid a further catastrophic stress on our health care system.​

The latest CDC stats on hospital capacity are as of July, 2020.

Hospital capacity numbers are a quagmire. Management wants to operate at capacity for maximum profit. One place can be happily at 80% with plenty of elective procedures and the next terrified of being overwhelmed soon at 80% with all elective stuff cancelled.

 

[byco42]

Hospital capacity numbers are a quagmire. Management wants to operate at capacity for maximum profit. One place can be happily at 80% with plenty of elective procedures and the next terrified of being overwhelmed soon at 80% with all elective stuff cancelled.

CDC's last published numbers ... 7/14/2020.