Coronainsanity

[byco42]

If 'they' want to weaken the population to control them, what's the logic behind the switch from pushing cheap burgers to making everyone allergic to meat? The low-quality, cheap fast food until our obesity rates clear 40% seems like a path to a weak, controllable, drug-reliant population that vegetarianism would be more likely to reduce than enhance.

This is not the path being forged. Meat = climate change.

 

[Gulo Blue]

This is not the path being forged. Meat = climate change.

Can you measure a difference in the chemical makeup of the atmosphere or not?

One heck of a thing to fake or try to lie about.

 

[Michchamp]

MC, I have a brain and I like to use it. Those who want to ?change the world? are counting on me to abandon my god-given ability to apply my critical thinking skills in exchange for following what ?they? say. And what ?they? are saying is no longer being obscured, but still hidden in the esoteric, scholastic, and academic circles, but in plain sight for anyone interested in learning what is being proposed.

If we don?t oppose it now; it will only become more difficult and dangerous to do so later.

it's just always amusing to me how right wing conspiracy theories always somehow manage to miss the 500 lb. gorilla in the room, when deciding who to blame for breaking the cookie jar.

these always ignore things like "political power" and "money" to focus on some poor adjunct professor or research paper to direct their ire at. I guess it's easier and more fun than facing reality.

 

[byco42]

Can you measure a difference in the chemical makeup of the atmosphere or not?

One heck of a thing to fake or try to lie about.

I?m not being clear. Some people believe that the consumption of meat contributes to climate change. And some others think that people can be programmed to reject the very idea of consuming meat, which, in turn, helps the climate.

 

[byco42]

it's just always amusing to me how right wing conspiracy theories always somehow manage to miss the 500 lb. gorilla in the room, when deciding who to blame for breaking the cookie jar.

these always ignore things like "political power" and "money" to focus on some poor adjunct professor or research paper to direct their ire at. I guess it's easier and more fun than facing reality.

The organizations that are in the process of doing what I consider to be actions and measures that will harm us in favor of them are global, powerful, and in plain sight.

They are easier to find on line than the obscure sources you manufactured.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I?m not being clear. Some people believe that the consumption of meat contributes to climate change. And some others think that people can be programmed to reject the very idea of consuming meat, which, in turn, helps the climate.

I follow, and maybe I'm extrapolating unfairly, but I saw it to include doubt that the climate is changing in response to human activity, which is why I asked about whether or not the amount of carbon in the air could be measured. What would happen if there was a conspiracy to lie about it? Is there nobody that would do their own measurement? How would all people that would report such news be silenced? At least oil companies would publish their differing measurements wouldn't they?

 

[byco42]

I follow, and maybe I'm extrapolating unfairly, but I saw it to include doubt that the climate is changing in response to human activity, which is why I asked about whether or not the amount of carbon in the air could be measured. What would happen if there was a conspiracy to lie about it? Is there nobody that would do their own measurement? How would all people that would report such news be silenced? At least oil companies would publish their differing measurements wouldn't they?

Yes you are extrapolating. Meat means methane and manufacturing. If someone wants to convince me to stop eating meat, (actually, I rarely do anyway) fine. If they want to forcefully and artificially modify my desire to consume meat, I?ll resist.

 

[Michchamp]

The organizations that are in the process of doing what I consider to be actions and measures that will harm us in favor of them are global, powerful, and in plain sight.

They are easier to find on line than the obscure sources you manufactured.

I just think it's crazy to assume that the global meat industry, estimated at over a cool trillion dollars, would somehow fail to see this existential threat, and lose out to... who exactly?

What group of individuals with more political power than $1 trillion is dedicating themselves to this "one weird trick" kinda approach to fight climate change? That's not how the world works.

hell... if that's even remotely possible, more power to them, right? that's amazingly altruistic of them to take on a trillion dollar industry to save the planet we all live on.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Yes you are extrapolating. Meat means methane and manufacturing. If someone wants to convince me to stop eating meat, (actually, I rarely do anyway) fine. If they want to forcefully and artificially modify my desire to consume meat, I?ll resist.

Global meat consumption trends and what political pressure may form to try to manipulate is a good topic for conversation, but kind of impossible to have while glossing over root causes.

 

[Gulo Blue]

What group of individuals with more political power than $1 trillion is dedicating themselves to this "one weird trick" kinda approach to fight climate change? That's not how the world works.

It's the same people that are going to topple the oil companies.

 

[byco42]

I just think it's crazy to assume that the global meat industry, estimated at over a cool trillion dollars, would somehow fail to see this existential threat, and lose out to... who exactly?

What group of individuals with more political power than $1 trillion is dedicating themselves to this "one weird trick" kinda approach to fight climate change? That's not how the world works.

hell... if that's even remotely possible, more power to them, right? that's amazingly altruistic of them to take on a trillion dollar industry to save the planet we all live on.

The bigger point that I am making, apparently rather poorly, is that there are elements loose in the world who are very eager, in the name of humanity, to alter its genetic nature. Suppressing the desire to eat meat is a tertiary or lower level of this initiative.

 

[Gulo Blue]

The bigger point that I am making, apparently rather poorly, is that there are elements loose in the world who are very eager, in the name of humanity, to alter its genetic nature. Suppressing the desire to eat meat is a tertiary or lower level of this initiative.

Why? It's far easier to just deny people meat or tell them some lie to get them to reject it. Many populations eat less meat without genetic manipulation.

 

[byco42]

Why? It's far easier to just deny people meat or tell them some lie to get them to reject it. Many populations eat less meat without genetic manipulation.

Ask those who are in the business of changing our behavior through genetic modification, and who have stated that its a positive change to stop us from eating meat.

 

[Michchamp]

Why? It's far easier to just deny people meat or tell them some lie to get them to reject it. Many populations eat less meat without genetic manipulation.

or just pass laws (or repeal existing meat industry-sponsored ones) to make huge industrial scale meat farms economically unfeasible by requiring them to actually bear the cost of their operations???

yeah, you can keep running your mega hog farm, but surrounding landowners can sue you to compensate them for the degradation of their land value, and we're going to fine you for violating immigration laws, worker's safety laws, overtime laws, and environmental laws...

(Just kidding... I know there's a fat chance of that happening in any of the 50 states of this kleptocracy... we can't even police our phone lines to keep spammers & frauds from making calls and texts at all hours of the day. failed state.

so maybe a massive clandestine campaign to alter our genetics is the only hope. BYCO IS RIGHT)

 

[tinselwolverine]

Why? It's far easier to just deny people meat or tell them some lie to get them to reject it. Many populations eat less meat without genetic manipulation.

In the post you quoted, byco said ?tertiary.?

I thought that was your favorite word.

 

[Gulo Blue]

In the post you quoted, byco said ?tertiary.?

I thought that was your favorite word.

I hate when people use tertiary against my quest to genetically modify the world!

 

[tinselwolverine]

I hate when people use tertiary against my quest to genetically modify the world!

So ?tertiary? is a trigger word for you; sometimes positive, sometimes the opposite, it would appear?

 

[Michchamp]

take things to the next level by moving to the quaternary

 

[tinselwolverine]

take things to the next level by moving to the quaternary

lexico

 

[Spartanmack]

maybe they're waking up to how expensive it is to care for a 40%+ obese population, especially when they will have to ration healthcare under a government run system. It's a lot easier to put a price on something real than something made up. Plus, there seems to be social aversion to obesity at some level. Making it about the boogeyman of ACCC, which like obesity can also somehow be linked to racial oppression/discrimination seems like a much easier path today than making everyone fat. Besides, you don't need meat to make people fat, you still have french fries, doritos, sugary beverages, twinkies, etc so that option is still on the table.