Coronainsanity

[Spartanmack]

I did just hear a report that EVERY hospitalization was NOT vaccinated.

So there?s that.

I don?t know anything about the ages or underlying health conditions of the hospitalized.

Don?t know anything about the hospitalization status regarding severity of the case.

ESPN announced Rich Eisen is currently battling COVID despite being vaccinated but he isn?t in LA and they didn?t say he was hospitalized either.

Also, no mention of which vaccine he got.

 

[tigermud]

Nope, and I wouldn?t spend a microsecond looking for corroboration for you.

As MiichChamp?s hero Ben Shapiro says ?if you didn?t get the vacc, that?s on you.?

My wife says ?fuck ?em, let ?em die.?

I think that?s pretty libertarian.

Me - I?ve said this before - I took the nano virus vax specifically and exclusively on the recommendation of my doctor almost my entire adult life; I love her and trust her.

If you choose not to get the vacc, and get the Covid and live, good for you and Mazel I say.

If you choose not to get the vacc, get the Covid and die, fuck you, good riddance.

That?s between you, medicine and God.

I have no problem with that. If I die of covid so be it. It?s a crap shoot either way. IMO 400 covid hospitalizations of which all 400 were not vaccinated is highly unlikely.

 

[tinselwolverine]

I have no problem with that. If I die of covid so be it. It?s a crap shoot either way. IMO 400 covid hospitalizations of which all 400 were not vaccinated is highly unlikely.

Maybe they?re lying. They?ve probably done it before.

Also I really hope you don?t die - I was kind of being an ass.

But I don?t think a mask is going to save you.

 

[zyxt9]

And if someone gets the vac and dies, who is that on? What if they just get severely sick?

What if it is someone who has a pre-existing condition that the vaccine would have high probability of side effects? There are subsets of people who, upon receiving any type of illness, have inflammation of the brain or heart.

Not everyone who does not get vaxed is anti-vax in accordance with how mainstream society views them. If their doctor advises against getting the Vax, do they deserve to be lumped in with those who choose not to for non-medical reasons?

Are they deserving of the negativity caste upon them without thought as to why they did not get the Vax?

It is ironic how Liberals especially come across as the group that views the Vax issue as a binary situation when they put so much effort into removing the binary perceptions of so many other aspects, like gender.

 

[Spartanmack]

And if someone gets the vac and dies, who is that on? What if they just get severely sick?

What if it is someone who has a pre-existing condition that the vaccine would have high probability of side effects? There are subsets of people who, upon receiving any type of illness, have inflammation of the brain or heart.

Not everyone who does not get vaxed is anti-vax in accordance with how mainstream society views them. If their doctor advises against getting the Vax, do they deserve to be lumped in with those who choose not to for non-medical reasons?

Are they deserving of the negativity caste upon them without thought as to why they did not get the Vax?

It is ironic how Liberals especially come across as the group that views the Vax issue as a binary situation when they put so much effort into removing the binary perceptions of so many other aspects, like gender.

other than fringe religious whackos, who isn't getting the vax for nonmedical reasons? Do you mean people who don't have known risks of taking the vax? I haven't gotten it because my immune system is probably just as effective as the vaccine and we don't have data the long term side effects of the vaccine. As a healthy, reasonably young person, the risk of becoming vaccine dependent for boosters and variants combined with the unknown long-term affects of the vaccine for a disease that's unlikely to make me sick let alone kill me doesn't seem worth it. Those seem like medical, not political or religious reasons to me. And I don't consider myself anti-vax. My wife, children and I have or are getting all the major vaccinations you get from birth to 18 or whatever (except HPV, my daughters won't be getting that one).

 

[tigermud]

Maybe they?re lying. They?ve probably done it before.

Also I really hope you don?t die - I was kind of being an ass.

But I don?t think a mask is going to save you.

I don't think the masks do much either, unless it's N95 med grade it's a waste of time and money. I hope to see the vast majority refuse to start wearing them again if mandated again here. Fraudchi is more that welcome to wear 2 or more if he'd like. In fact I'd just recommend a full blown muzzle for him would be ideal.

Local school District here as already decided that kids will NOT have to wear a mask when they come back in the fall vaccinated or not. of course that would always change yet. Only exception will be for those riding the bus and only while on the bus. Apparently it's up to each individual local district to set their own policy. I'm grateful I still reside in a slightly red controlled area.

 

[byco42]

Nope, and I wouldn?t spend a microsecond looking for corroboration for you.

As MiichChamp?s hero Ben Shapiro says ?if you didn?t get the vacc, that?s on you.?

My wife says ?fuck ?em, let ?em die.?

I think that?s pretty libertarian.

Me - I?ve said this before - I took the nano virus vax specifically and exclusively on the recommendation of my doctor almost my entire adult life; I love her and trust her.

If you choose not to get the vacc, and get the Covid and live, good for you and Mazel I say.

If you choose not to get the vacc, get the Covid and die, fuck you, good riddance.

That?s between you, medicine and God.

Like I said, I?m relying on my personal habits, the survival rate, my above-average health for my age, and ? apparently ? my blood type is also in my favor.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I don't think the masks do much either, unless it's N95 med grade it's a waste of time and money.

Still?

If I were to talk only about a cloth mask, with holes way bigger than a virus, at this point, you already know how I'd argue they help, right?

 

[Spartanmack]

I don't think the masks do much either, unless it's N95 med grade it's a waste of time and money. I hope to see the vast majority refuse to start wearing them again if mandated again here. Fraudchi is more that welcome to wear 2 or more if he'd like. In fact I'd just recommend a full blown muzzle for him would be ideal.

Local school District here as already decided that kids will NOT have to wear a mask when they come back in the fall vaccinated or not. of course that would always change yet. Only exception will be for those riding the bus and only while on the bus. Apparently it's up to each individual local district to set their own policy. I'm grateful I still reside in a slightly red controlled area.

he only wears masks when he knows the cameras are on him.

 

[byco42]

Still?

If I were to talk only about a cloth mask, with holes way bigger than a virus, at this point, you already know how I'd argue they help, right?

Then let?s just make masks mandatory for all time in all public places. Because we never know what somebody?s got these days. And, let?s also remember that we should not wear a fit-tested N-95, because ?they are reserved for medical professionals.? We, the profane, have to settle for a less-reliable solution.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Then let?s just make masks mandatory for all time in all public places. Because we never know what somebody?s got these days. And, let?s also remember that we should not wear a fit-tested N-95, because ?they are reserved for medical professionals.? We, the profane, have to settle for a less-reliable solution.

In the early days of a pandemic when there weren't enough to go around, prioritizing medical professionals made sense. Nobody's saying what you're saying. Go get an N95 if you want.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Well...maybe somebody is saying it. There's always somebody saying everything.

 

[Gulo Blue]

In the early days, they were telling medical professionals to re-use their masks and they were trying to come up with good ways to clean them. Why not criticize that like it's contemporary too?

 

[zyxt9]

other than fringe religious whackos, who isn't getting the vax for nonmedical reasons? Do you mean people who don't have known risks of taking the vax? I haven't gotten it because my immune system is probably just as effective as the vaccine and we don't have data the long term side effects of the vaccine. As a healthy, reasonably young person, the risk of becoming vaccine dependent for boosters and variants combined with the unknown long-term affects of the vaccine for a disease that's unlikely to make me sick let alone kill me doesn't seem worth it. Those seem like medical, not political or religious reasons to me. And I don't consider myself anti-vax. My wife, children and I have or are getting all the major vaccinations you get from birth to 18 or whatever (except HPV, my daughters won't be getting that one).

No, I was referring more to people who have been anti-vax since long before COVID for various reasons that have been proven to be inaccurate.

However, I was also bringing into the argument those who have a medical reason for not getting vaxxed who nonetheless are grouped in with all non-vaxxed people. There is a stigma that is being applied with blanket statements such as those who do not get vaxxed and die basically should be considered stupid idiots...without any understanding that there are many people who should not get the vaccine for medical reasons, and while many perceive that group to be elderly, there are many children amongst them who have medical conditions that the Vax will exacerbate and lead to complications at best, but potentially be fatal as well. Yet 'people' just want to label and group them without a second thought.

 

[byco42]

In the early days of a pandemic when there weren't enough to go around, prioritizing medical professionals made sense. Nobody's saying what you're saying. Go get an N95 if you want.

Right, just me and the CDC. As of May 28, 2021.

CDC recommends that N95 respirators should be prioritized for protection against COVID-19 in healthcare settings. Essential workers and workers who routinely wore respirators before the pandemic should continue wearing N95 respirators. As N95s become available they can be worn in non-healthcare settings.​

This is still on the website, which I am certain is being updated 24/7, virtually every hour at least.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Right, just me and the CDC. As of May 28, 2021.

CDC recommends that N95 respirators should be prioritized for protection against COVID-19 in healthcare settings. Essential workers and workers who routinely wore respirators before the pandemic should continue wearing N95 respirators. As N95s become available they can be worn in non-healthcare settings.​

This is still on the website, which I am certain is being updated 24/7, virtually every hour at least.

What's wrong with that? Prioritized for healthcare settings and worn in non-healthcare settings when available (and they are available now) is not the same thing as reserved for medical professionals.

 

[tinselwolverine]

What's wrong with that? Prioritized for healthcare settings and worn in non-healthcare settings when available (and they are available now) is not the same thing as reserved for medical professionals.

It?s stupid, that?s what.

?You MUST wear a mask. We PREFER you abide by the mandate wearing the masks that Faucci himself has been found to have, in a private e-mail unearthed by a court order under the FOIA, acknowledged are worthless pieces of shit.?

What is NOT utterly stupid about that?

 

[Gulo Blue]

It?s stupid, that?s what.

?You MUST wear a mask. We PREFER you abide by the mandate wearing the masks that Faucci himself has been found to have, in a private e-mail unearthed by a court order under the FOIA, acknowledged are worthless pieces of shit.?

What is NOT utterly stupid about that?

I haven't seen the quote you are talking about...but are you leaving out context about cloth masks in enclosed environments for a long time? Because I seen that a whole bunch of times at this point.

 

[byco42]

In the early days, they were telling medical professionals to re-use their masks and they were trying to come up with good ways to clean them. Why not criticize that like it's contemporary too?

Did the medical professionals somehow miss this? Link


And the guidelines for reuse are not well defined. Source: Honeywell

Discard N95 respirators following use during aerosol generating procedures.

Discard N95 respirators contaminated with blood, respiratory or nasal secretions, or other bodily fluids from patients.

Discard N95 respirators following close contact with any patient co-infected with an infectious disease requiring contact precautions.

Use a cleanable face shield (preferred) or a surgical mask over an N95 respirator and/or other steps (e.g., masking patients, use of engineering controls), when feasible to reduce surface contamination of the respirator.

Hang used respirators in a designated storage area or keep them in a clean, breathable container such as a paper bag between uses. To minimize potential cross-contamination, store respirators so that they do not touch each other and the person using the respirator is clearly identified. Storage containers should be disposed of or cleaned regularly.

Clean hands with soap and water or an alcohol-based hand sanitizer before and after touching or adjusting the respirator (if necessary for comfort or to maintain fit).

Avoid touching the inside of the respirator. If inadvertent contact is made with the inside of the respirator, perform hand hygiene as described above.

Use a pair of clean (non-sterile) gloves when donning a used N95 respirator and performing a user seal check. Discard gloves after the N95 respirator is donned and any adjustments are made to ensure the respirator is sitting comfortably on your face with a good seal.

To reduce the chances of decreased protection caused by a loss of respirator functionality, respiratory protection program managers should consult with the respirator manufacturer regarding the maximum number of donnings or uses they recommend for the N95 respirator model(s) used in that facility.

If no manufacturer guidance is available, preliminary data(19, 20) suggests limiting the number of reuses to no more than five uses per device to ensure an adequate safety margin.​

And how thorough do you think the average hospital was in actually adhering to even these guidelines, not to mention the cleaning requirements in the link?

 

[Gulo Blue]

Is this what you're talking about?

https://factcheck.afp.com/fauci-email-misrepresented-evidence-masks-are-ineffective-against-covid-19

I hope not.