Coronainsanity

[Gulo Blue]

Did the medical professionals somehow miss this? Link


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And how thorough do you think the average hospital was in actually adhering to even these guidelines, not to mention the cleaning requirements in the link?

That would be what I was referring to, yes.

 

[byco42]

What's wrong with that? Prioritized for healthcare settings and worn in non-healthcare settings when available (and they are available now) is not the same thing as reserved for medical professionals.

I?ll accept your description. But what is ?wrong? with this is that is this: Every of medical professional I?ve been in direct contact since COVID didn?t wear N95s, even as recently as last week. They wore the standard surgical mask. So this tells me that if makes no difference what mask is used, or they don?t want to be burdened with the highly detailed and stringent guidelines recommended for using and reusing N95s.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I?ll accept your description. But what is ?wrong? with this is that is this: Every of medical professional I?ve been in direct contact since COVID didn?t wear N95s, even as recently as last week. They wore the standard surgical mask. So this tells me that if makes no difference what mask is used, or they don?t want to be burdened with the highly detailed and stringent guidelines recommended for using and reusing N95s.

They're probably vaccinated and no longer worried about it.

 

[tinselwolverine]

?99% of the people becoming seriously ill and needing to be hospitalized are unvaccinated?

?WhiteHouse coming down hard and big tech companies trying to get them to stop the flow of all this vaccine disinformation.?

Those are two audio blurbs I just heard on KTLA5.

Here?s where ya gotta think really critically.

What are the demographics of the people who were hospitalized? Are they people who had reason to believe they were at a fairly low risk because of age and no underlying comorbidities, or were they people who might have known that they were at a higher risk yet chose not to get vaccinated for whatever reason they chose?

I don?t know, and we need to know the answers to that.

Now, the second blurb - I?m with Mud on that one - sounds like de facto censorship to me.

Who is the arbiter of what ?disinformation? is - the White House? Ummm?no. Not according to the Constitution.

Dr. Kelly Victory joined Trump?s lawsuit against Big Tech on the grounds they?ve acting as an extension of the government; we?ll see how it goes.

On Monday I?m going to reach out to my friends in media to see if I can get some answers on the demographics of the unvaccinated people who are being hospitalized regarding specifically their ages and any underlying health conditions. I?ll get back to you guys with what I find out.

 

[byco42]

Is this what you're talking about?

https://factcheck.afp.com/fauci-email-misrepresented-evidence-masks-are-ineffective-against-covid-19

I hope not.

Fact checking organizations are about as honorable and ethical as your average politician. They are damage control. They dwell in half-truths and ?context-abuse.?

And it used ?science is evolving? canard: for the use of ? masks? As if this is brand-new technology?

Changing guidance on mask use has been driven by evolving understanding of Covid-19 and the virus that causes it, but has undermined some people?s confidence in the efficacy of face coverings.​

This is about as ?factual? as The Man on The Moon. Translation: ?You need to listen to your superiors and stop questioning them.?

US health authorities initially recommended that masks be used by limited groups of people including health care workers and those who were showing symptoms of Covid-19.​

So Fauci and all ?US health authorities? were wrong about their initial recommendation, and every other recommendation they have made to date, since they keep changing their minds, and this also applies to the below statement.

They then expanded that guidance to urge all people to use them, and now say that those who have been fully vaccinated against the disease do not need them in most circumstances.​

Except in LA county and the surrounding areas. As of today.

 

[byco42]

They're probably vaccinated and no longer worried about it.

They weren?t in 2020. Not a single N95 to be seen in the medical facilities where I had appointments.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Fact checking organizations are about as honorable and ethical as your average politician. They are damage control. They dwell in half-truths and ?context-abuse.?

And it used ?science is evolving? canard: for the use of ? masks? As if this is brand-new technology?

Changing guidance on mask use has been driven by evolving understanding of Covid-19 and the virus that causes it, but has undermined some people?s confidence in the efficacy of face coverings.​

This is about as ?factual? as The Man on The Moon. Translation: ?You need to listen to your superiors and stop questioning them.?

US health authorities initially recommended that masks be used by limited groups of people including health care workers and those who were showing symptoms of Covid-19.​

So Fauci and all ?US health authorities? were wrong about their initial recommendation, and every other recommendation they have made to date, since they keep changing their minds, and this also applies to the below statement.

They then expanded that guidance to urge all people to use them, and now say that those who have been fully vaccinated against the disease do not need them in most circumstances.​

Except in LA county and the surrounding areas. As of today.

Remember when people were more concerned about transmission on surfaces? Remember the distinction between droplet sized and the technical vs. layperson's used of the word aerosolized? Yes, scientific understanding evolved and non-technical coverage of the evolving science isn't always perfect.

 

[Gulo Blue]

They weren?t in 2020. Not a single N95 to be seen in the medical facilities where I had appointments.

Well, this is different from what we were talking about before. I can't speak to your personal anecdote, when exactly you mean, what N95 availability was then and there, or who might have not been worried about it because they already had it and recovered.

 

[Michchamp]

site I read has been tracking COVID infection rates, hospitalizations, deaths, and positive tests daily, for a while now.

So this isn't "alarmism"... it's just what is happening...

You can see the slope of the graph is increasing again, toward where it was in the first wave. We're at 26,448 new cases per day, as a 7 day average. Fuck.

 

[Michchamp]

Remember when people were more concerned about transmission on surfaces? Remember the distinction between droplet sized and the technical vs. layperson's used of the word aerosolized? Yes, scientific understanding evolved and non-technical coverage of the evolving science isn't always perfect.

but it's certainly better than whatever passes for "wisdom" among some segments of the population

 

[Michchamp]

We've - i.e. our public health establishment at the federal level - has put all our eggs in "vaccination," and told people they could stop wearing masks and other prophylactic measures.

Vaccine rates have levelled off now, and when you go below the 49-years-old, we're at 50% or less of the population that is fully vaccinated.

So we now have virulent, mutating viral infections still circulating among millions of people - including kids who we decided are forever magically immune from COVID - leaving a ticking time bomb in place.

 

[byco42]

Remember when people were more concerned about transmission on surfaces? Remember the distinction between droplet sized and the technical vs. layperson's used of the word aerosolized? Yes, scientific understanding evolved and non-technical coverage of the evolving science isn't always perfect.

In February 2020, COVID was a big deal. Link

And the CDC did this in September 2020

Here?s a study on fomite transmission. Link

This is an excerpt, with its included bolded type:

The authors summarised the evidence on a range of transmission sources: Respiratory Transmission

The dominant route of transmission of SARS-CoV-2 is respiratory (48). Growing evidence indicates that infectious virus can be found in aerosols and in exhaled breath samples (5, 6, 49), and it is likely that under certain circumstances, including during aerosol-generating procedures, while singing, or in indoor environments with poor ventilation, the virus may be transmitted at a distance through aerosols.

Nevertheless, there is abundant evidence that proximity is a key determinant of transmission risk (50, 51). That proximity so clearly increases risk for infection suggests that classic droplet transmission is more important than aerosol transmission (51).
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Wash, keep distance, and don?t cough or sneeze on people. Good general practice kin any circumstances.

 

[tinselwolverine]

We've - i.e. our public health establishment at the federal level - has put all our eggs in "vaccination," and told people they could stop wearing masks and other prophylactic measures.

Vaccine rates have levelled off now, and when you go below the 49-years-old, we're at 50% or less of the population that is fully vaccinated.

So we now have virulent, mutating viral infections still circulating among millions of people - including kids who we decided are ?forever? magically immune from COVID - leaving a ticking time bomb in place.

Who decided that?

The Covid?s only been around barely a year.

Only Peter Pan stayed a kid forever.

By the time the Covid will have been around literally 20 times longer than it has been, the kids now will be young adults - still generally not in a risk category.

When the Covid will have been around - again literally - 40 to 50 times as long as it?s been here, kids during the the Covid era will be approaching the higher risk stage.

But the Covid probably won?t last that long.

I sure won?t.

 

[Gulo Blue]

We've - i.e. our public health establishment at the federal level - has put all our eggs in "vaccination," and told people they could stop wearing masks and other prophylactic measures.

Vaccine rates have levelled off now, and when you go below the 49-years-old, we're at 50% or less of the population that is fully vaccinated.

So we now have virulent, mutating viral infections still circulating among millions of people - including kids who we decided are forever magically immune from COVID - leaving a ticking time bomb in place.

My gut says there is a bigger risk of new variants from elsewhere in the world where vaccine aren't available at all - just probabilistically, we're a small part of the unvaccinated population, and wherever it starts, it seems that it's going to get here. The spike protein is weird though. I think the vaccine will remain effective as long as that spike doesn't mutate which might be less likely that other mutations - again - my instinct, not supported by anything I've read.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Wash, keep distance, and don?t cough or sneeze on people. Good general practice kin any circumstances.

Good general practices. Not black and white, no thresholds, they reduce the probability of transmission to varying degrees the more you do them. You do it enough, spread stops. You don't do them enough, it gets transmitted all over the place. Did we do these things enough? I think the answer is very clearly no. It would be one thing to argue in the early stages about the effectiveness of these things, but what is the point after the fact? After failing to keep the pandemic under control? It's arguing about the effectiveness of barn doors vs stable doors after the horses are out.

 

[tinselwolverine]

ESPN announced Rich Eisen is currently battling COVID despite being vaccinated but he isn?t in LA and they didn?t say he was hospitalized either.

Also, no mention of which vaccine he got.

I know, right?

We need to know ALL the detes to be able to make informed decisions.

The who, the what, the where, the why, and the how.

 

[byco42]

Good general practices. Not black and white, no thresholds, they reduce the probability of transmission to varying degrees the more you do them. You do it enough, spread stops. You don't do them enough, it gets transmitted all over the place. Did we do these things enough? I think the answer is very clearly no. It would be one thing to argue in the early stages about the effectiveness of these things, but what is the point after the fact? After failing to keep the pandemic under control? It's arguing about the effectiveness of barn doors vs stable doors after the horses are out.

When will there be a reckoning for China and the suppression of affordable, available treatments by the FDA and the Federal Government? Link

 

[Gulo Blue]

When will there be a reckoning for China and the suppression of affordable, available treatments by the FDA and the Federal Government? Link

When the wealthiest Americans no longer see China as a place to make money?

Edit: hold up, reckoning for spreading this thing so widely so quickly, reckoning for covering up the origins, reckoning for the lack of transparency through out the pandemic, reckoning for manipulating the WHO to keep their announcements China-friendly...sure. Reckoning for suppressing hydroxychloroquine? I don't know that it was ever suppressed. There was a ton of talk, interest, and buying. And some research, right?

 

[tinselwolverine]

I haven't seen the quote you are talking about...but are you leaving out context about cloth masks in enclosed environments for a long time? Because I seen that a whole bunch of times at this point.

Here ya go.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Here ya go.

from your own link: "Masks are really for infected people to prevent them from spreading infection to people who are not infected rather than protecting uninfected people from acquiring infection."

"The typical mask you buy in the drug store is not really effective in keeping out virus, which is small enough to pass through material. It might, however, provide some slight benefit in keep out gross droplets if someone coughs or sneezes on you."

"I do not recommend that you wear a mask, particularly since you are going to a very low risk location."


This is February 2020 advice to a specific person travelling to a specific place and it sounds like the question was very much about the mask preventing this person from catching covid. The distinction between catching and spreading is made here, but it would help to know where this person was coming from and the likelihood they they could have been exposed before the conversation (which was thought to be very low in much of the country in February).