Coronainsanity

[Michchamp]

Question. If it?s truly a ?vaccine? why would ya need a booster every 8 months?

Joe Biden?s top health adviser Dr. Anthony Fauci said the U.S. is on track to administer COVID booster shots every eight months.

In a Sunday appearance on MSNBC?s ?Meet The Press,? Fauci claimed the federal government is taking a ?flexible? approach to when Americans will be urged to take a booster shot.

Because it?s not a vaccine it?s a spike protein injection designed to keep active covid antibodies in your system all times. What could possibly go wrong...absolutely insane IMO

https://www.infowars.com/posts/fauci-covid-booster-shots-will-be-needed-every-8-months/

Isn't that how vaccine immunity works? You have antibodies to that specific virus at all times. If you didn't, you wouldn't be immune anymore.

This isn't that different than an annual flu shot. I'm guessing you're opposed to those as well, for... Uh.. "unique" reasons.

although, COVID isn't influenza (it's worse) and mutates more rapidly, from what I've read, so it's almost to be expected that we're going to be playing catchup with it for a while. I mean remember when they were calling it the "novel" coronavirus, because it was new, and we had no exposure or experience with it?

 

[Gulo Blue]

Isn't that how vaccine immunity works? You have antibodies to that specific virus at all times. If you didn't, you wouldn't be immune anymore.

This isn't that different than an annual flu shot. I'm guessing you're opposed to those as well, for... Uh.. "unique" reasons.

although, COVID isn't influenza (it's worse) and mutates more rapidly, from what I've read, so it's almost to be expected that we're going to be playing catchup with it for a while. I mean remember when they were calling it the "novel" coronavirus, because it was new, and we had no exposure or experience with it?

Flu vaccine is even worse than annual. It's like 1/2 as effective at 3 months and pretty much useless at 5 months. You've got to line it up with flu season.

 

[tigermud]

Isn't that how vaccine immunity works? You have antibodies to that specific virus at all times. If you didn't, you wouldn't be immune anymore.

This isn't that different than an annual flu shot. I'm guessing you're opposed to those as well, for... Uh.. "unique" reasons.

although, COVID isn't influenza (it's worse) and mutates more rapidly, from what I've read, so it's almost to be expected that we're going to be playing catchup with it for a while. I mean remember when they were calling it the "novel" coronavirus, because it was new, and we had no exposure or experience with it?

No that?s not how it works, that?s not how it works at all, antibodies are active. T cell immunity is long term, antibodies are not. I don?t want ?vaccine immunity? would much rather have natural immunity.

And no I?m not against anyone that lines up the flu shot, I?ve never taken a flu shot and never needed one. Natural immunity has worked just fine for me, everyone is different and should be able to decide for themselves without fear of reprisal or medical segregation

 

[byco42]

Isn't that how vaccine immunity works? You have antibodies to that specific virus at all times. If you didn't, you wouldn't be immune anymore.

This isn't that different than an annual flu shot. I'm guessing you're opposed to those as well, for... Uh.. "unique" reasons.

although, COVID isn't influenza (it's worse) and mutates more rapidly, from what I've read, so it's almost to be expected that we're going to be playing catchup with it for a while. I mean remember when they were calling it the "novel" coronavirus, because it was new, and we had no exposure or experience with it?

I expect the Gain of Function experimentation that created this heretofore NON-existent virus may have something to do with the required boosters ? and .. the pharma companies clean up on a consistent basis, too.

 

[Spartanmack]

A dictionary search demonstrates that both ?sheeple? and ?sheople? are acceptable spellings.

it's about degrees, not everyone is 50/50 - some are more sheep and some or more peops.

 

[Spartanmack]

I expect the Gain of Function experimentation that created this heretofore NON-existent virus may have something to do with the required boosters ? and .. the pharma companies clean up on a consistent basis, too.

I'm sure former FDA director Dr. Scott Gottlieb joining the Pfizer board in 2019 had no impact on the recent FDA approval of their COVID vax. We can always trust public health officials.

What's the over/under on this thing being exposed as a fraud, MC doing a 180 on the vax and placing all the blame on corporations and their evil profit motives? 18 months?

 

[Michchamp]

I'm sure former FDA director Dr. Scott Gottlieb joining the Pfizer board in 2019 had no impact on the recent FDA approval of their COVID vax. We can always trust public health officials.

What's the over/under on this thing being exposed as a fraud, MC doing a 180 on the vax and placing all the blame on corporations and their evil profit motives? 18 months?

It's funny, even when there's obvious corruption and corporate capture of regulatory agencies, you pin that on the government.

Like little old Pfizer was begging the government not to shovel piles of money at them to create the vaccine, and rush pre-approval and final approval. They wanted to roll up their sleeves and achieve all that through hard work, or something..

That being said, Operation Light Speed or whatever appears to be one of the rare instances when government throwing money at the private sector actually sorta achieved some notable results. But not enough to really end the pandemic... that would've taken vaccines + masks + banning international travel, or alternatively ensuring the rest of the world was highly vaccinated.

Telling people if they were vaccinated they could stop wearing the mask was a bad idea. That's on Biden for sure & his CDC, but I don't see anyone else in power in this stupid country getting that right.

 

[byco42]

It's funny, even when there's obvious corruption and corporate capture of regulatory agencies, you pin that on the government.

Like little old Pfizer was begging the government not to shovel piles of money at them to create the vaccine, and rush pre-approval and final approval. They wanted to roll up their sleeves and achieve all that through hard work, or something..

That being said, Operation Light Speed or whatever appears to be one of the rare instances when government throwing money at the private sector actually sorta achieved some notable results. But not enough to really end the pandemic... that would've taken vaccines + masks + banning international travel, or alternatively ensuring the rest of the world was highly vaccinated.

Telling people if they were vaccinated they could stop wearing the mask was a bad idea. That's on Biden for sure & his CDC, but I don't see anyone else in power in this stupid country getting that right.

Governments introduced the concept of paying for vaccines before they were created a long time ago, and then introduce them to "healthy markets."

There's a lot of money and control in vaccines. Link

 

[Michchamp]

Governments introduced the concept of paying for vaccines before they were created a long time ago, and then introduce them to "healthy markets."

There's a lot of money and control in vaccines. Link

Government didn't pick winners and losers for these things in a vacuum though.

Look at the amount of money big pharma spends lobbying... set against the big ZERO dollars "regular people" spend lobbying.

The Onion had a joke gag about this a while ago (FUCK, it was 11 years ago), but after the last couple elections, I think the American people would be better served collectively pooling their funds to hire lobbyists, than they would by voting for politicians.

 

[tigermud]

Don?t piss off the mama bears

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1432332310582603778?s=20

 

[Spartanmack]

It's funny, even when there's obvious corruption and corporate capture of regulatory agencies, you pin that on the government.

Like little old Pfizer was begging the government not to shovel piles of money at them to create the vaccine, and rush pre-approval and final approval. They wanted to roll up their sleeves and achieve all that through hard work, or something..

That being said, Operation Light Speed or whatever appears to be one of the rare instances when government throwing money at the private sector actually sorta achieved some notable results. But not enough to really end the pandemic... that would've taken vaccines + masks + banning international travel, or alternatively ensuring the rest of the world was highly vaccinated.

Telling people if they were vaccinated they could stop wearing the mask was a bad idea. That's on Biden for sure & his CDC, but I don't see anyone else in power in this stupid country getting that right.

Of course I pin a lot of that on the government. It?s absurd not to. What I think is truly hilarious is that you think growing government and increasing taxes - giving them more money and control will result in less, not more of that kind of corruption. You literally have to be a moron to believe that.

 

[Michchamp]

Of course I pin a lot of that on the government. It?s absurd not to. What I think is truly hilarious is that you think growing government and increasing taxes - giving them more money and control will result in less, not more of that kind of corruption. You literally have to be a moron to believe that.

if you pay government workers better, they'll be less susceptible to corruption.

if you tax corporate profits more, they'll have less money to bribe politicians with.

simple.

 

[Spartanmack]

if you pay government workers better, they'll be less susceptible to corruption.

if you tax corporate profits more, they'll have less money to bribe politicians with.

simple.

It's simple, for sure but it's also complete and utter nonsense.

If you pay government workers better, they'll only want more and they'll still be susceptible to corruption. If you limit the size and scope of government, cede less control to them, there will be less incentive for corporations to buy them off. Government workers need less power and more accountability, not more money.

Increasing taxes to reduce corruption is even more ridiculous. The more money and power in government, the greater incentive to buy them off.

 

[Michchamp]

another "Conservative radio host" dies of COVID. this one in Florida. link.

They say nice things about him in the article, but they always do, and gloss over what total shitbags these guys are

 

[byco42]

if you pay government workers better, they'll be less susceptible to corruption.

Or hire employees who are motivated by something other than money.

if you tax corporate profits more, they'll have less money to bribe politicians with.

simple.

 

[Michchamp]

Or hire employees who are motivated by something other than money.
...

Or who needs money to live? Or will not get married and have a wife and kids (or husband and kids) who want things?

It's hilarious the double standards you guys put in place, and the naive view that corporate America is this paradigm of efficiency, and isn't entirely rife with lazy, greedy bureaucrat-types... the type you only imagine lived in Soviet Russia or "big government" here.

 

[Spartanmack]

Or who needs money to live? Or will not get married and have a wife and kids (or husband and kids) who want things?

It's hilarious the double standards you guys put in place, and the naive view that corporate America is this paradigm of efficiency, and isn't entirely rife with lazy, greedy bureaucrat-types... the type you only imagine lived in Soviet Russia or "big government" here.

nice strawman - no one is saying corporate America isn't greedy, they clearly are. However, it's definitely wrong to say it's entirely rife with lazy, greedy bureaucrats. Corporations are at least accountable on some level. The idea that government isn't less efficient/competent doesn't stand up to the slightest bit of scrutiny. Only you and Vic try to make that ridiculous point.

The existence of greed is why you need to remove the incentives to corrupt the government. Term limits would go a long way limiting that incentive.

 

[byco42]

Or who needs money to live? Or will not get married and have a wife and kids (or husband and kids) who want things?

According to the Office of Personnel Management (OPM), which keeps, stores and tallies such information, the average federal employee now has a salary (excluding benefits) of $90,510. The average length of service of federal employees is 12.3 years.​

#research

General Schedule (GS) How it Works
General Schedule (GS) base pay varies from the GS-1 level at $19,738 per annum to $143,598 per annum at step 10 of the GS-15 grade, not including locality pay adjustments. The Senior Executive Service salary tops out at $219,200 per annum. The average annual salary for full-time non-postal employees has increased to just over $87,500 in 2019. Starting pay depends on the level of experience, education and complexity of the position applied for. You may also be able to negotiate your starting salary if your previous employer pay was greater than step 1 of the pay grade you are hired into.

Each GS grade has 10 pay steps. Currently, a GS-9 starts at $46,083 for step 1 and reaches $59,907 per year at step 10 (not including locality pay adjustments). At the GS-9 grade, each pay step adds $1,536 to the annual salary. Pay steps are earned based on time in service and the employee?s work performance. General Schedule employees are referred to as white-collar workers under the federal classification system. There are 53 locality pay areas.​

It's hilarious the double standards you guys put in place, and the naive view that corporate America is this paradigm of efficiency, and isn't entirely rife with lazy, greedy bureaucrat-types... the type you only imagine lived in Soviet Russia or "big government" here.

You should know with some level of certitude that I do not believe this in any way. Having worked in the eye of numerous global corporations, I know better. And it has nothing whatsoever to do with the topic at hand, anyway.

 

[Michchamp]

According to the Office of Personnel Management (OPM), which keeps, stores and tallies such information, the average federal employee now has a salary (excluding benefits) of $90,510. The average length of service of federal employees is 12.3 years.​

#research

General Schedule (GS) How it Works
General Schedule (GS) base pay varies from the GS-1 level at $19,738 per annum to $143,598 per annum at step 10 of the GS-15 grade, not including locality pay adjustments. The Senior Executive Service salary tops out at $219,200 per annum. The average annual salary for full-time non-postal employees has increased to just over $87,500 in 2019. Starting pay depends on the level of experience, education and complexity of the position applied for. You may also be able to negotiate your starting salary if your previous employer pay was greater than step 1 of the pay grade you are hired into.

Each GS grade has 10 pay steps. Currently, a GS-9 starts at $46,083 for step 1 and reaches $59,907 per year at step 10 (not including locality pay adjustments). At the GS-9 grade, each pay step adds $1,536 to the annual salary. Pay steps are earned based on time in service and the employee?s work performance. General Schedule employees are referred to as white-collar workers under the federal classification system. There are 53 locality pay areas.​

it's the pay grades at the top levels that are the issue... you're going to pay FDA senior management ~$150K a year (and living in DC isn't cheap), when they can jump to Pfizer or J&J, or Astra Zeneca for double that, or more, plus a hefty bonus? And they know if they actually did their job in the FDA and performed due diligence and scrutiny on the drugs they were approving, that opportunity to jump and double their salary would not be there anymore?

So, YES, they are underpaid as government employees at those pay grades.

it's been this way for 30-40 years, so we can now assume this is all by design, and the drug companies via their lobbyists are calling the shots.

You should know with some level of certitude that I do not believe this in any way. Having worked in the eye of numerous global corporations, I know better. And it has nothing whatsoever to do with the topic at hand, anyway.

Well, then I expect you would agree that corporate America is the problem, not this mythological "big government."

 

[Spartanmack]

it's the pay grades at the top levels that are the issue... you're going to pay FDA senior management ~$150K a year (and living in DC isn't cheap), when they can jump to Pfizer or J&J, or Astra Zeneca for double that, or more, plus a hefty bonus? And they know if they actually did their job in the FDA and performed due diligence and scrutiny on the drugs they were approving, that opportunity to jump and double their salary would not be there anymore?

So, YES, they are underpaid as government employees at those pay grades.

it's been this way for 30-40 years, so we can now assume this is all by design, and the drug companies via their lobbyists are calling the shots.

But hurry up and get that vax that underwent less due diligence and scrutiny...because public health puppets are telling you to!

Well, then I expect you would agree that corporate America is the problem, not this mythological "big government."

Agreeing that greed exists isn't the same as agreeing that corporate America is THE problem. Calling "big government" a myth demonstrates an extreme level of ignorance. The federal government is a giant bureaucracy with nearly limitless resources and nearly zero accountability - but it's the corporations taking advantage of those resoures that are the problem, government is a force for good if not for corporate greed.