Coronainsanity

[Michchamp]

a lot of real helpful and surprising information coming from the same guys who have been repeatedly wrong about COVID, almost on a daily basis, going back to March 2020.

we're at ~ 815,000 dead Americans and counting. this has now exceeded the Civil War as the deadliest single event in American history, I think.

But I guess there are a lot more people now, so proportionally, it's no big deal, right?

 

[Michchamp]

That quote at 2:10 is precisely the point I was making.

Omicron variant is a natural vaccine, one that is capable of spreading faster and not as hampered by supply-chain challenges.

Let it spread.

"But...but...but...the UK had 1 death! ONE!!!!"

Uh...yep...how many deaths have happened from the vaccine??? So, scientifically speaking, the Omicron variant is LESS DEADLY than the vaccines!

So...faster spreading, less problematic to reach everyone, less resistance by those unwilling to take the artificial vaccine, AND less deadly than the artificial vaccine.

Nature for the win!!!

omicron emerged in South Africa, and the deaths due to it have started increasing there... same 10-14 day lag behind emergence we saw in prior waves. you realize time doesn't stop, right?

you understand the concept of "the passage of time" at least?

like... if you were on the Titanic when it started sinking, would you argue everything was still fine, up until the whole ship was underwater? or would you acknowledge that maybe it would be better to get in a lifeboat before then?

 

[Gulo Blue]

omicron emerged in South Africa, and the deaths due to it have started increasing there... same 10-14 day lag behind emergence we saw in prior waves. you realize time doesn't stop, right?

you understand the concept of "the passage of time" at least?

like... if you were on the Titanic when it started sinking, would you argue everything was still fine, up until the whole ship was underwater? or would you acknowledge that maybe it would be better to get in a lifeboat before then?

I don't think they know where it started yet, but they think it was in Europe before S. Africa.

 

[Michchamp]

I don't think they know where it started yet, but they think it was in Europe before S. Africa.

see post #4470 of this thread:

The press did point out what the experts had been discussing, that this variant resulted from a protracted infection in an immunocompromised, likely HIV positive, individual (recall that HIV is widespread in South Africa).​

 

[Michchamp]

I'm also not an epidemiologist or doctor, so like everyone else here, I'm just repeating things I read elsewhere... although the things I read elsewhere and post here tend to be from actual doctors or epidemiologists, not Youtube video jerkoffs or editorial cartoonists.

But the comment I read on Omicron was the vaccines, being intravenous, will not offer blanket immunity to a respiratory vaccine; i.e. your mucous membranes and throat can still get infected. They prevent systemic infections from occurring though, which is where variants/mutated strains typically arise from. Which is why there's almost a concensus among doctors that everyone needs to get vaccinated

makes sense to me.

the article was critical of Biden for not pushing to waive patent and force the vaccine makers to provide them to the rest of the world.

i can't remember the source; it might have been in the post i referenced above or another article I read when omicron was emerging

 

[Gulo Blue]

see post #4470 of this thread:

The press did point out what the experts had been discussing, that this variant resulted from a protracted infection in an immunocompromised, likely HIV positive, individual (recall that HIV is widespread in South Africa).​

Yeah, this came after that
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/omicron-variant-covid-in-europe-netherlands-before-alert-raised/
Omicron COVID variant was in Europe before South African scientists detected and flagged it to the world


...I suppose they could find an even older S. African case, but who knows.

 

[Michchamp]

My kids' pediatrician has a blanket statement on his office that he recommends all patients get the vaccine. But he didn't tweet that, or post a video on youtube where he rants about it. so I'm not sure I can trust it.

 

[zyxt9]

wow. really makes you think.

Well, we can't all be lemmings. Some of us actually are thinking about how stupid all this Fear Market System has become, and even more stupid how many people are allowing it to overcome any rational thoughts.

Why is a vaccine mandate necessary? Please, share your brilliant wisdom with the rest of us.

Becomes I'm pretty sure the vast majority of the "anti" crowd are not anti-vaccine, just anti-mandate. Not one person has forbid you to get the vaccine, correct? Yet you and your ilk are attempting to force the vaccine onto others, INCLUDING PEOPLE WITH LEGIT MEDICAL EXEMPTIONS!

That is what REALLY pisses me off right now. There is NOTHING that someone with a legit doctor's note can say or do to get out from the mandatory vaccine requirements already imposed. Those who risk having a really bad reaction or even death from the vaccine do not matter to people like you one fucking bit. They need to march down to the nearest facility, take their vaccine shot, and go to their death.

And then there are the multiple cities that are enforcing their mandates, despite them being 100% in violation of ADA regulations that require places to provide equal access to public places for people with disabilities. So someone who has a legit disability that causes a condition that would have a high probability of being problematic, potentially even be killed, by the vaccine...to you it is perfectly acceptable to enforce a discriminatory policy.

Go figure that Germany would already have a National mandate in place. Papers! Where are your papers???

Fuck Germany. Fuck mandates. If this shit does not stop soon there will be revolts.

I'm of the opinion groups of non-vaxxed people need to go to places in NYC and other locations with mandatory vax requirements, just go in and do a Greensboro Sit-in type of protest. Absolutely nothing along the Jan 6th nonsense, just a peaceful protest that pushes the government to recognize these mandates are Unconstitutional.

 

[zyxt9]

My kids' pediatrician has a blanket statement on his office that he recommends all patients get the vaccine. But he didn't tweet that, or post a video on youtube where he rants about it. so I'm not sure I can trust it.

He is a quack. There is absolutely zero excuse for that. There are kids who have autoimmune challenges that could lead to them having extremely bad reactions or even potentially die from his irresponsible behavior.

No surprise you would allow your children to see Dr. Death. For their sake, I do hope nothing bad happens to your kids. I mean, someone has to consider their welfare because that doctor certainly does not give a shit about his patients.

 

[zyxt9]

omicron emerged in South Africa, and the deaths due to it have started increasing there... same 10-14 day lag behind emergence we saw in prior waves. you realize time doesn't stop, right?

you understand the concept of "the passage of time" at least?

like... if you were on the Titanic when it started sinking, would you argue everything was still fine, up until the whole ship was underwater? or would you acknowledge that maybe it would be better to get in a lifeboat before then?

WHAT FUCKING DEATHS ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??? The only reported death due to Omicron has come from the UK...and with zero additional info about the patient and any potential contributing factors.

Seriously fuck off with your bullshit already. Show me the link to all these omicron deaths, because I just did a google search that only mentions the 1 UK death:
https://www.google.com/search?q=how...AAZsBiAGUGpIBBTI2LjExmAEAoAEB&sclient=gws-wiz

 

[sggatecl]

My kids' pediatrician has a blanket statement on his office that he recommends all patients get the vaccine. But he didn't tweet that, or post a video on youtube where he rants about it. so I'm not sure I can trust it.

You should tie a pen to the bottom of the sign and everyone that agrees can put a tally mark underneath. I think those would count as 'likes' or 'upvotes' and thus make it sound advice.

 

[zyxt9]

WHAT FUCKING DEATHS ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??? The only reported death due to Omicron has come from the UK...and with zero additional info about the patient and any potential contributing factors.

Seriously fuck off with your bullshit already. Show me the link to all these omicron deaths, because I just did a google search that only mentions the 1 UK death:
https://www.google.com/search?q=how...AAZsBiAGUGpIBBTI2LjExmAEAoAEB&sclient=gws-wiz

and regarding the comment that it takes 10-14 days...titanic...blah, blah, blah...

the first reported cases happened on nov 24th. all reports indicate this was actually spreading before that but due to the mild nature it was not picked up immediately, and that is why it has already spread across the globe...because it is MILD and people are carrying it asymptomatically around the world.

so 20 days since the first reports, and by all accounts from south africa and denmark, there have been dramatic numbers coming in since the beginning...and yet the doctors are reporting minimal symptoms, few hospitalizations, and only the 1 supposed death due to omicron with zero data provided about the patient who died. why won't they release more details despite MANY requests for the details??? is it because they are labeling it an omicron death when it really should have been labeled death due to other factors with omicron being a contributing factor???

 

[zyxt9]

You should tie a pen to the bottom of the sign and everyone that agrees can put a tally mark underneath. I think those would count as 'likes' or 'upvotes' and thus make it sound advice.

should take that pen and shove it up the quacks ass.

i prefer a doctor who respectfully examines each individual patient and takes into account their individual conditions before determining they should have the shot or not. that quack is a malpractice insurance company nightmare and lawyers must be lining up to get rich off that idiot.

champ, surely you would not sacrifice one of your children so you could get rich. we may not get along very often, but even i would not think you are capable of that. you love your kids too damn much, dude...seriously, take them to see a more professional pediatrician. again, i do NOT wish harm on your kids, they do not deserve any crap that an incompetent doctor prescribes upon them. if a competent non-quack doctor gives the go-ahead for them to get the shots, fine...but some asshat that makes a blanket statement and is stupid enough to post a sign on the wall that any patient can then use against him... well that is just begging for trouble. please, for your kids sake... find another doctor who will treat them as individuals.

 

[Spartanmack]

wow. really makes you think.

c'mon, let's be serious for a second here. Literally nothing makes you think, you simply do as you're told.

 

[Spartanmack]

My kids' pediatrician has a blanket statement on his office that he recommends all patients get the vaccine. But he didn't tweet that, or post a video on youtube where he rants about it. so I'm not sure I can trust it.

you should get a new pediatrician. The chances of a kid dying from this virus is effectively zero - they don't need an untested vaccine that doesn't change their probability of serious illness or death. There are documented cases of 8 year olds having heart attacks due to myocarditis from the vaccine - even if very rare why would any parent take that risk for a vaccine that does nothing to protect their kids? It's one thing if you want to take a vaccine you don't need for a virus that won't kill you (that you can still get even with the vaccine), but to give something like that to your kid when the long term risks are unknown is insane.

 

[Michchamp]

you should get a new pediatrician. The chances of a kid dying from this virus is effectively zero - they don't need an untested vaccine that doesn't change their probability of serious illness or death. There are documented cases of 8 year olds having heart attacks due to myocarditis from the vaccine - even if very rare why would any sane parent take that risk for a vaccine that does nothing to protect their kids?

hmmmm.... who should I listen to here?

licensed pediatrician?

or

idiot on the internet who has been insisting this was no big deal, and would be only as bad as the flu, and never changed his stance even after the bodies started piling up?

 

[Spartanmack]

hmmmm.... who should I listen to here?

licensed pediatrician?

or

idiot on the internet who has been insisting this was no big deal, and would be only as bad as the flu, and never changed his stance even after the bodies started piling up?

The recommendation not to give our kids the vaccine came from a licensed pediatrician - the creator of the MRNA vaccine also recommends the same. The recommendation for me to not get the vaccine also came from a licensed physician. He gave me some mitigation protocols and a prescription for ivermectin and told me to take that and get the monoclonal infusion if I got COVID. I got COVID last Tuesday and was kinda sick for about 2.5 days with a fever that was controlled by acetominophen. I took the Ivermectin and got the monoclonal treatment and I've felt fine for a few days already. Taste and smell went away around day 3 but it's back already - I can smell the steak my wife is making for dinner right now.

So who should I have listened to? My licensed physician who was properly assessed the risk to me and made a sound recommendation or your dumbass who thinks a vaccine that doesn't prevent people from getting COVID is going to stop the spread of COVID. Yeah, you're literally that dumb - I think I'll stick with my Dr's recommendations. Gonna go enjoy my steak.

 

[Michchamp]

good for you for listening to your doctor, and recovering to enjoy a steak dinner. odd he'd recommend not to take the vaccine,
given (as previously posted) the AMA and other medical associations recommend them.

is he like one of them fancy alternative medicine doctors? or a witch doctor?

he has an MD from an accredited medical school?

 

[tigermud]

hmmmm.... who should I listen to here?

licensed pediatrician?

or

idiot on the internet who has been insisting this was no big deal, and would be only as bad as the flu, and never changed his stance even after the bodies started piling up?

You should listen to both sides of the argument you?re doctor and idiots on the internet then make your own informed decision, then not force your informed perceived correct decision onto others who make an informed decision that doesn?t agree with your informed decision.

 

[tigermud]

https://trendingpolitics.com/dr-fau...le-worse-it-would-not-be-the-first-time-knab/

Some have said stuff like this from the start, trust the science, until it changes again. Then trust that science instead, rinse wash repeat

was commenting on a recent study that showed that the Covid vaccines may actually make a recipient more likely to be reinfected than someone with natural immunity from a prior infection.. which fruadchi is telling the truth