Coronainsanity

[tinselwolverine]

OK, let's use Science to really consider how best to move forward at this point.

Omicron is a mild version that is yet to induce anything extreme, yet is still a Covid variant.

So, in essence, it IS a "natural vaccine" to Covid. It is more transmissible and will push out the other variants that are not as transmissible.

Think about that. This is what has historically happened with viruses that reach Pandemic levels. The Spanish Flu...scientist are baffled as to how it suddenly stopped. Uh...maybe it was from a more transmissible but less deadly variant spreading quickly and knocking out the more deadly variants that could not spread as quickly??? But you know, that's just Darwinistic Science being applied and all.

Should we not be taking advantage and embracing Omicron? Encourage people to get Omicron. Have, if you will, Omicron parties similar to the old school Chicken Pox parties.

Instead we have idiot Fraudchi and the Libs trying to once again induce fear. Why? Because a "natural vaccine" will eliminate the need to have an artificial one. We must quarantine damn it!!! This thing is DEADLY (to our pocketbooks)!!!

See, Omicron will not require repeated boosters which Big Pharma is counting on. It will spread, you know...NATURALLY and SCIENTIFICALLY all on its own.

Take anyone with Omicron and ask them to spread it to those around them. Tell those around them to remove their mask and accept Omicron into their body and allow their natural immune system to fight it off. For those who become sick, chances are they will not require hospitalization...but that is a chance. Doctors have become much more successful in fighting severe Covid though, so chances are those patients will recover.

Might some people with extreme underlying conditions still die? Yes. But why is that to be feared since there is not a similar fear behind the artificial vaccines?

Remove the masks, remove social distancing, remove quarantines, embrace Omicron, accept it. The anti-vax groups have no arguments as this is not an artificial vax, it is a natural one, born from the natural Darwinistic evolution that all coronaviruses eventually mutate into. It will be just like having the flu for those who experience symptoms. A couple days of rest, fluids, and in extreme situations a doctor's assistance is all one really needs.

Omicron for the WIN!!!

I don?t know that we have to go this far.

Just acknowledge that the mutations are taking their natural course, getting more transmissible but less virulent (also Darwinian) and the pandemic appears to be coming to its natural resolution.

Which it was obviously going to do with or without all of our coronainsanity.

 

[Michchamp]

Supposedly the idea that diseases all mutate to become less lethal is bunk.

the article I read noted plenty of diseases that were lethal for hundreds of years until people finally acquired some natural immunity to them... after large percentages of the population were killed off. not a cost I think anyone would want our society to bear, if they were smart enough to quantify the cost and risk to themselves

here: link.

lot of wishful thinking being spread by people claiming "I'm doing science"

 

[zyxt9]

I don?t know that we have to go this far.

Just acknowledge that the mutations are taking their natural course, getting more transmissible but less virulent (also Darwinian) and the pandemic appears to be coming to its natural resolution.

Which it was obviously going to do with or without all of our coronainsanity.

I was just looking to produce maximum spread in shortest time so we can finally move past all this shit sooner.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Supposedly the idea that diseases all mutate to become less lethal is bunk.

the article I read noted plenty of diseases that were lethal for hundreds of years until people finally acquired some natural immunity to them... after large percentages of the population were killed off. not a cost I think anyone would want our society to bear, if they were smart enough to quantify the cost and risk to themselves

That is true, they don?t all become less virulent.

It?s the tendency

Thus far, the COVID-19 variants seem to be following this pattern.

 

[tigermud]

In the first half, producer on the daytime talk show The Doctors, and host of the HighWire, Del Bigtree, discussed issues surrounding the COVID vaccines and their safety. Large parts of Africa have been less affected by the pandemic while highly vaccinated countries are suffering multiple waves of infection, he pointed out. In these parts of Africa, he suggested that people are building herd immunity and taking treatments like ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine to fend off COVID. Bigtree was critical of the push for COVID vaccines because they fail to stop infections and their long-term effects are unknown. "The vaccine appears to be blocking our ability to reach herd immunity," he remarked, adding that the Belgian virologist Geert Vanden Bossche has warned that mass vaccinations are creating more dangerous variants.


"We're seeing mutations in this virus at a speed that is almost unprecedented under this unnatural vaccine pressure," and Vanden Bossche "believes we are within a year of creating a vaccine-resistant pathogen that may be unstoppable," Bigtree cautioned. He reported on an abstract published in the Circulation Journal, which indicated that the vaccine might lead to increased inflammatory cells in the cardiac region (though experts have raised concerns about this study). Bigtree associated the mandates and push for vaccines as part of a larger control and tracking agenda by governments that seek to encroach upon our freedoms.

https://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2021-12-01-show/

He also argued that the vaccinated breakthroughs are more likely to spread the virus as they are much more likely to have no symptoms to keep them from going out and about while the unvax much more likely to know they are sick and isolate. makes sense, would anyone disagree with that.

 

[zyxt9]

My only disagreement is in the vaccines causing more lethal variants. Considering Omicron has manifested during the time of the vaccine push.

But even more contrary to his point is that in terms of the entire world, the percent of population vaccinated is generally lower than the US, with pockets equal to or greater. The mutations have repeatedly developed in places with lower vaccination percentages. Therefore I'm not buying the argument that the vaccines are causing more deadly variants.

Nature is going to produce variants. Whether more lethal or more contagious depends on what Nature does at a given moment more than anything humans do or don't do.

 

[Spartanmack]

My only disagreement is in the vaccines causing more lethal variants. Considering Omicron has manifested during the time of the vaccine push.

But even more contrary to his point is that in terms of the entire world, the percent of population vaccinated is generally lower than the US, with pockets equal to or greater. The mutations have repeatedly developed in places with lower vaccination percentages. Therefore I'm not buying the argument that the vaccines are causing more deadly variants.

Nature is going to produce variants. Whether more lethal or more contagious depends on what Nature does at a given moment more than anything humans do or don't do.

Isn't it still too early to know the vaccine's affect on the evolution of the virus and whether or not it causes more deadly variants? Where did delta first show up?

 

[zyxt9]

Isn't it still too early to know the vaccine's affect on the evolution of the virus and whether or not it causes more deadly variants? Where did delta first show up?

Exactly my point. The variants have originated in areas where the vax had yet to be given to a large enough % of the population to make any difference, so I disagree with the piece stating the vax has caused variants that are more lethal (or less lethal, either way the vax did not drive the virus to mutate...it happened naturally).

 

[tigermud]

My only disagreement is in the vaccines causing more lethal variants. Considering Omicron has manifested during the time of the vaccine push.

But even more contrary to his point is that in terms of the entire world, the percent of population vaccinated is generally lower than the US, with pockets equal to or greater. The mutations have repeatedly developed in places with lower vaccination percentages. Therefore I'm not buying the argument that the vaccines are causing more deadly variants.

Nature is going to produce variants. Whether more lethal or more contagious depends on what Nature does at a given moment more than anything humans do or don't do.

Good feedback, that would seem logical.

 

[zyxt9]

Isn't it still too early to know the vaccine's affect on the evolution of the virus and whether or not it causes more deadly variants? Where did delta first show up?

Delta originated in India, if I recall correctly it was in regions with very poor economy and people living very close together, and virtually zero vax happening as those were going to the more affluent areas, what little they had available for the billion plus population.

 

[sggatecl]

My understanding, before Covid, was that viruses were prone to mutate more frequently as it infects more people and spreads. The more hosts it gets into, the greater the opportunity for mutations to happen. (Think flu or cold/rhinoviruses).

From that I can't see how an immunization would cause more mutations, but I'm not a virologist and won't pretend that it's that simple.

 

[tigermud]

The CEO of South Africa?s largest private healthcare network says that the Omicron variant is ?so mild? that it ?may signal the end of COVID-19.?

According to Richard Friedland, chief executive officer of Netcare Ltd., the early days of the variant suggest there is absolutely no need to panic and that it might actually be a good thing.

?If in the second and third wave we?d seen these levels of positivity to tests conducted, we would have seen very significant increases in hospital admissions and we?re not seeing that. In our primary care clinics it is mainly people under 30-years-old,? he said.

?So I actually think there is a silver lining here and this may signal the end of Covid-19, with it attenuating itself to such an extent that it?s highly contagious, but doesn?t cause severe disease. That?s what happened with Spanish flu.?

?We are seeing breakthrough infections of people who have been vaccinated, but the infections we?re seeing are very mild to moderate. So for health care workers who have had boosters, it?s mostly mild. I think this whole thing has been so poorly communicated and so much panic generated.?

Friedland?s comments won?t be welcomed by Big Pharma, which continues to make vast profits from endless booster vaccines.

Not will his remarks be amplified by the corporate media, which has enjoyed a huge boost in ratings from endless COVID fearmongering.

However, the CEO?s statement correlates with what

The doctor who first discovered the variant says the it is ?mild? and hasn?t caused an uptick in hospitalizations.

Angelique Coetzee, chair of the South African Medical Association, echoed Dr. Barry Schoub?s sentiments, noting that the patients infected with omicron had ?symptoms (that) were so different and so mild from those I had treated before.?

There have been zero deaths from Omicron worldwide and in countries like the UK it hasn?t even caused anyone to be hospitalized.

Despite the fact that Omicron is proving to be significantly less frightening than when it was initially discovered, governments have moved ahead anyway to impose new restrictions and push draconian vaccine mandates on their populations.other health experts on the ground in South Africa have said about Omicron.

 

[sggatecl]

It's still Delta that's packing the hospitals even though Omicron is getting all the headlines right now.

 

[tigermud]

Light at the end of the tunnel on covid, in the coming weeks/months the globalist will now put us on a war path with China IMO

COVID experts in Norway say that Omicron variant being highly transmissible but ?milder? could prove to be the ?best scenario? because it would boost ?natural immunity? and bring the end of the pandemic closer.

The country?s state epidemiologist Frode Forland was responding to news of the biggest Omicron outbreak outside of South Africa, which occurred at an Oslo Christmas party.

?As many as 120 people who attended the Louise Restaurant and Bar on the night of November 26th have now tested positive for coronavirus, about half of whom have screened positive for omicron, with 13 of those proven to have the variant in sequencing,? reports the Telegraph.

Oslo infectious disease doctor Tine Ravlo revealed, ?They have symptoms like fever, cough, headache, muscle pain, fatigue, but for now, none of them has become severely ill, and none of them have been treated in hospital.?

This is positive news according to Forland because it clearly indicates the variant ?would be both very mild and very transmissible.?

?That is the hope. That is the best scenario we can have,? he said. ?That it?s getting minder, most people will get it, and they will get a natural immunity.?

?It might be that it has now replicated and mutated so many times that this is the optimal position from the virus? point of view, to spread widely and not kill the hosts,? added Forland.

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?That?s what we?ve seen with other diseases beforehand. And of course, then it gets into more like an endemic phase,? he concluded.

The position of experts in Norway is mirrored by the CEO of South Africa?s largest private healthcare network, who asserted that the Omicron variant is ?so mild? that it ?may signal the end of COVID-19.?

According to Richard Friedland, chief executive officer of Netcare Ltd., the Omicron variant is ?highly contagious, but doesn?t cause severe disease. That?s what happened with Spanish flu.?

?So I actually think there is a silver lining here and this may signal the end of Covid-19,? he added.

Expect the corporate media, which relies on gigantic ad spends from Big Pharma and high ratings from prolonging fears over COVID, to completely ignore all these findings.

 

[Spartanmack]

My understanding, before Covid, was that viruses were prone to mutate more frequently as it infects more people and spreads. The more hosts it gets into, the greater the opportunity for mutations to happen. (Think flu or cold/rhinoviruses).

From that I can't see how an immunization would cause more mutations, but I'm not a virologist and won't pretend that it's that simple.

The argument is this vax doesn't prevent infection, lessens symptoms thus increasing possibility of asymptomatic carriers and allowing it to spread.

The wife just tested positive today after getting progressively worse symptoms since Sunday (mild cold to now mild achy, flu like symptoms).

I have symptoms like that now (achy, flu-like) just got back from urgent care where I got a negative rapid test. Dr is virtually certain it's a false negative given my symptoms and exposure (15% error rate overall, but that drops to almost zero for people exposed who exhibit symptoms). I qualify for monoclonal antibodies but can't get them without a positive test - PCR should be back by Thursday latest.

 

[tigermud]

The argument is this vax doesn't prevent infection, lessens symptoms thus increasing possibility of asymptomatic carriers and allowing it to spread.

The wife just tested positive today after getting progressively worse symptoms since Sunday (mild cold to now mild achy, flu like symptoms).

I have symptoms like that now (achy, flu-like) just got back from urgent care where I got a negative rapid test. Dr is virtually certain it's a false negative given my symptoms and exposure (15% error rate overall, but that drops to almost zero for people exposed who exhibit symptoms). I qualify for monoclonal antibodies but can't get them without a positive test - PCR should be back by Thursday latest.

Seems like those test come back negative if you get it too early after initial symptom onset, my wife?s first test was negative she got hers about 2 days into symptoms I got mine around 5 days after symptoms and it was positive then about two days after that my wife got another test and it was positive that second time.

In any regard get lots of rest, but don?t lay around too much, let fresh air in every now and again, lots of fruits and veggies only for a few days Vit C D and anything anti inflammatory. Baking soda water worked for me to help keep oxygen in, just a half spoon full in a 8 oz glass was all, took a ton of probiotics also, just threw everything at it and when you start feeling better take it slow it takes another week or so for the energy levels to truly return.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Expect the corporate media, which relies on gigantic ad spends from Big Pharma and high ratings from prolonging fears over COVID, to completely ignore all these findings.

Reasonable guess, but I'm seeing it in mainstream stuff.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/06/world/africa/omicron-coronavirus-research-spread.html

 

[tigermud]

The share of wealth owned by the world?s super-rich soared during the coronavirus pandemic, while 100 million people sank into extreme poverty, a major study has found.

According to the World Inequality Report, released on Tuesday, the top 1% took 38% of all additional wealth accumulated since the mid-1990s, whereas the bottom 50% captured just 2% of it.

 

[tinselwolverine]

The argument is this vax doesn't prevent infection, lessens symptoms thus increasing possibility of asymptomatic carriers and allowing it to spread.

The wife just tested positive today after getting progressively worse symptoms since Sunday (mild cold to now mild achy, flu like symptoms).

I have symptoms like that now (achy, flu-like) just got back from urgent care where I got a negative rapid test. Dr is virtually certain it's a false negative given my symptoms and exposure (15% error rate overall, but that drops to almost zero for people exposed who exhibit symptoms). I qualify for monoclonal antibodies but can't get them without a positive test - PCR should be back by Thursday latest.

Wish the best.

 

[tigermud]

Third kid has it now also drove up to Detroit Monday night and brought it back home so Mom can take better care of him than he can by himself. Estimate he's on day 7 or 8 and seems to have a more mild symptom set and getting through it much better than us older folks did. Oldest already had it with us and youngest (14) never got it while around us the whole time with zero in home isolation. Figure then she already had it and never really knew it or somehow impervious to it. who knows. Pretty much running our own little Covid ward here for the last month.