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Coronainsanity

We have years of data on covid infections and who is being infected. We have 10 months atleast of data on several vaccines and how they impacted infections and deaths.

Real doctors will tell you Omicron is not any "less severe". It will infect more people and is likely that more people will die. There will be a lower death %. But again...people need to understand 3rd grade math in order to understand how that works....like numerators and denominators and effects when the denominator sharply increases. natural immunity means shit as perfectly healthy people keep getting it over and over again as natural antibodies seem to fade fairly quickly (varies greatly by the person but typically test results will show 0 antibodies after 3 months of being sick).

The last point is the most BS on your post considering Omicron has been here less than a month, has been the dominant strain for a matter of weeks and theres virtually no data on recovery for people that have antibodies from previous strains that literally just recovered from Omicron. If there was data like that avsilable it would be dumb because it would only include the people that just got sick and recovered. It wouldnt include any of the people that are still sick in the hospital...cause they havent recovered ...or died yet.

ae you sure?

from NY Times article. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/11/health/california-omicron-hospitalizations.html

A new study of nearly 70,000 Covid patients in California demonstrates that Omicron causes less severe disease than other coronavirus variants.

The new research, posted online Tuesday, aligns with similar findings from South Africa, Britain and Denmark, as well as a host of experiments on animals.

?It?s truly a viral factor that accounts for reduced severity,? said Joseph Lewnard, an epidemiologist at the University of California, Berkeley, and an author of the study, which has not yet been published in a scientific journal.

Compared with Delta, Omicron infections were half as likely to send people to the hospital. Out of more than 52,000 Omicron patients identified from electronic medical records of Kaiser Permanente of Southern California, a large health system, Dr. Lewnard and his colleagues found that not a single patient went on a ventilator during that time.
 
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ae you sure?

from NY Times article. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/11/health/california-omicron-hospitalizations.html

A new study of nearly 70,000 Covid patients in California demonstrates that Omicron causes less severe disease than other coronavirus variants.

The new research, posted online Tuesday, aligns with similar findings from South Africa, Britain and Denmark, as well as a host of experiments on animals.

?It?s truly a viral factor that accounts for reduced severity,? said Joseph Lewnard, an epidemiologist at the University of California, Berkeley, and an author of the study, which has not yet been published in a scientific journal.

Compared with Delta, Omicron infections were half as likely to send people to the hospital. Out of more than 52,000 Omicron patients identified from electronic medical records of Kaiser Permanente of Southern California, a large health system, Dr. Lewnard and his colleagues found that not a single patient went on a ventilator during that time.

Also news from jersey/ New York....a fucking state of emergency. Why do you need a state of emergency if everyone has a minor cold?
 
People would lose their minds if they tried this here.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59960689
The Canadian province of Quebec will charge a health tax to residents who are not vaccinated against Covid-19.

Premier Francois Legault said during a news conference that people who have not received their first dose of vaccine will have to pay a "contribution".

The fee has not yet been decided, but will be "significant", he said.

Starting later this month, Greeks over age 60 are being required to pay a ?100 (?85; C$142; $113) fine for each month that they remain unvaccinated.
 
Also news from jersey/ New York....a fucking state of emergency. Why do you need a state of emergency if everyone has a minor cold?


You should consider different news sources your news sources are misleading you and want you to remain in a constant state of fear
 
Also news from jersey/ New York....a fucking state of emergency. Why do you need a state of emergency if everyone has a minor cold?

NY and NJ are Liberal areas, they enjoy going into lockdowns and forcing people into their Socialist ways of obeying everything the government orders. Bunch of Liberal nutjobs running around like Chicken Little.

Their lock downs provided no measurable advantage compared to Miami, Dallas, Houston, or other areas where lockdowns and mandates were not enforced.
 
The lockdowns and mandates had such minimal effect it is not measurable. And if you are going to complain about Trump not locking down US borders due to Covid, well you can thank the Dems who habitually prevented Trump from doing that, but let's play that line out a little further... why do you not complain about Biden not shutting down everything to prevent Delta AND Omicron from entering the US? Had better data that preventing foreigners inbound would reduce potential for those variants coming here, yet hiss reactions were not any different and he should have known better than Trump who was still learning about Covid. Biden had the info and did nothing different, arguably even less.
 
NY and NJ are Liberal areas, they enjoy going into lockdowns and forcing people into their Socialist ways of obeying everything the government orders. Bunch of Liberal nutjobs running around like Chicken Little.

Their lock downs provided no measurable advantage compared to Miami, Dallas, Houston, or other areas where lockdowns and mandates were not enforced.

Are Maryland and Virginia also liberal areas? State of emergency there too.
 
Best defenses were Social Distancing and sanitizing/washing with masks optional since it- according to science - takes 15 minutes of being within 6 ft without either person wearing masks. This data means instead of having everyone cram into Target or Walmart and stand in non-Social Distanced lines outside waiting to enter...keep the Mom and Pop stores open for people to get in and out faster and reduce time of potential exposure.

Meanwhile, develop vaccines and offer them to THOSE WHO WANT THEM. Instead they mandated them resulting in a small percentage to say No to the mandate on principal whereas they would have taken it if completely voluntary and calmly provided info on benefits without all the BS hysterics.

Simultaneously, work on the Treatments angle. Doctors and/or hospitals refused to use experimental options while patients died. Eventually those who did experimental options (even as simple as having patients in bed face down instead of face up for severe cases) got word out on things that MIGHT work, and as treatments were proving effective in certain situations, that info should not only have been shared but followed. There was tons of AI that went toward the vaccines, but it does not appear to have been applied on the treatments side. In the end, the treatments dropped mortality from initial 10% to under 2%, validating the angle that treatments were just as important as the vaccines. Not more important, but equally important.

There is also the fact that we are still in the millions of cases worldwide, but vaccines are in the billions. The challenge is the frequency of getting the shots, but in fairness that was unknown when they first pursued the option.

The decision to create vaccines from relatively new methods also was a touchy thing. It is new, only undergone minimal research and testing, but people are then forced to take it? It is no wonder so many people opted against. However, it is pretty silly that most of those individuals who argue against a new vaccine are pushing treatments that have as little or less case studies...and the opposite is true for the vaccine pushers who argue against taking new treatments. With new medicines that are unproven to this degree, people deserve the freedom to choose any option they believe is best for them, after all, everyone is unique and therefore no magic fix is likely to work for everyone. Some have died from the vaccines and some have died from their experimental treatments. The important thing lost in all of the arguing is that people should have the freedom to choose their preferred way and not be criticized for it.

Instead the entire thing became a political game, one still being played unfortunately. And when it is all over, each side will claim victory and their opponents will be labeled as stupid idiots for not following the Science...when what is needed is for everyone to follow their freedom of choice without having that infringed upon by the government or other individuals.
 
And now we are back to store shelves being empty. Now there's a Let's Go Brandon headline!
 
You should consider different news sources your news sources are misleading you and want you to remain in a constant state of fear

News is misleading me by telling me what actually happened. That there's a state of emergency in jersey Maryland and Virginia. This is exactly what's wrong with people nowadays lol. How the fuck is that misleading?... it's a fact lol.
 
News is misleading me by telling me what actually happened. That there's a state of emergency in jersey Maryland and Virginia. This is exactly what's wrong with people nowadays lol. How the fuck is that misleading?... it's a fact lol.

All run by democrats do they really need to be? Virginia?s will lift just as soon as northup leaves. MI would probably still be under one also if the republican state legislature hasn?t reined in her doctoral powers.
 
The lockdowns and mandates had such minimal effect it is not measurable. And if you are going to complain about Trump not locking down US borders due to Covid, well you can thank the Dems who habitually prevented Trump from doing that, but let's play that line out a little further... why do you not complain about Biden not shutting down everything to prevent Delta AND Omicron from entering the US? Had better data that preventing foreigners inbound would reduce potential for those variants coming here, yet hiss reactions were not any different and he should have known better than Trump who was still learning about Covid. Biden had the info and did nothing different, arguably even less.

nobody wants to hear this. The administration should have known in 2019. They should have shut down the borders the first time some guy sneezed in China. Should have shut down the borders and built a huge bubble over our country. Shit, we can't shut down the borders, let alone build a bubble. We aren't even allowed to build a wall.
 
https://swprs.org/professor-ehud-qimron-ministry-of-health-its-time-to-admit-failure/

Professor Ehud Qimron: ?Ministry of Health, it?s time to admit failure?

Two years late, you finally realize that a respiratory virus cannot be defeated and that any such attempt is doomed to fail. You do not admit it, because you have admitted almost no mistake in the last two years, but in retrospect it is clear that you have failed miserably in almost all of your actions, and even the media is already having a hard time covering your shame.

You refused to admit that the infection comes in waves that fade by themselves, despite years of observations and scientific knowledge. You insisted on attributing every decline of a wave solely to your actions, and so through false propaganda ?you overcame the plague.? And again you defeated it, and again and again and again.

You refused to admit that mass testing is ineffective, despite your own contingency plans explicitly stating so (?Pandemic Influenza Health System Preparedness Plan, 2007?, p. 26).

You refused to admit that recovery is more protective than a vaccine, despite previous knowledge and observations showing that non-recovered vaccinated people are more likely to be infected than recovered people. You refused to admit that the vaccinated are contagious despite the observations. Based on this, you hoped to achieve herd immunity by vaccination ? and you failed in that as well.

You insisted on ignoring the fact that the disease is dozens of times more dangerous for risk groups and older adults, than for young people who are not in risk groups, despite the knowledge that came from China as early as 2020.

You refused to adopt the ?Barrington Declaration?, signed by more than 60,000 scientists and medical professionals, or other common sense programs. You chose to ridicule, slander, distort and discredit them. Instead of the right programs and people, you have chosen professionals who lack relevant training for pandemic management (physicists as chief government advisers, veterinarians, security officers, media personnel, and so on).

You have not set up an effective system for reporting side effects from the vaccines and reports on side effects have even been deleted from your Facebook page. Doctors avoid linking side effects to the vaccine, lest you persecute them as you did to some of their colleagues. You have ignored many reports of changes in menstrual intensity and menstrual cycle times. You hid data that allows for objective and proper research (for example, you removed the data on passengers at Ben Gurion Airport). Instead, you chose to publish non-objective articles together with senior Pfizer executives on the effectiveness and safety of vaccines.

Irreversible damage to trust


However, from the heights of your hubris, you have also ignored the fact that in the end the truth will be revealed. And it begins to be revealed. The truth is that you have brought the public?s trust in you to an unprecedented low, and you have eroded your status as a source of authority. The truth is that you have burned hundreds of billions of shekels to no avail ? for publishing intimidation, for ineffective tests, for destructive lockdowns and for disrupting the routine of life in the last two years.

You have destroyed the education of our children and their future. You made children feel guilty, scared, smoke, drink, get addicted, drop out, and quarrel, as school principals around the country attest. You have harmed livelihoods, the economy, human rights, mental health and physical health.

You slandered colleagues who did not surrender to you, you turned the people against each other, divided society and polarized the discourse. You branded, without any scientific basis, people who chose not to get vaccinated as enemies of the public and as spreaders of disease. You promote, in an unprecedented way, a draconian policy of discrimination, denial of rights and selection of people, including children, for their medical choice. A selection that lacks any epidemiological justification.
 
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We have years of data on covid infections and who is being infected. We have 10 months atleast of data on several vaccines and how they impacted infections and deaths.

Real doctors will tell you Omicron is not any "less severe". It will infect more people and is likely that more people will die. There will be a lower death %. But again...people need to understand 3rd grade math in order to understand how that works....like numerators and denominators and effects when the denominator sharply increases. natural immunity means shit as perfectly healthy people keep getting it over and over again as natural antibodies seem to fade fairly quickly (varies greatly by the person but typically test results will show 0 antibodies after 3 months of being sick).

The last point is the most BS on your post considering Omicron has been here less than a month, has been the dominant strain for a matter of weeks and theres virtually no data on recovery for people that have antibodies from previous strains that literally just recovered from Omicron. If there was data like that avsilable it would be dumb because it would only include the people that just got sick and recovered. It wouldnt include any of the people that are still sick in the hospital...cause they havent recovered ...or died yet.

No, they won't. That's completely untrue - virtually everyone is saying it's less severe and I'm not aware of any predictions saying more people will die. Virtually everything I've seen says infection rates will be much higher but due to the significantly lower severity of the strain, hospitalizations and deaths will likely be lower - so my third grade math says the death rate will be much, much lower. And so far that seems to be how things are panning out. What I've seen for this area, infections are through the roof but hospitalizations and deaths are below peak levels for Delta and the original strain - and people are saying Omicron is already peaking.

You're last paragraph is simply false, you probably got a C at best in 3rd grad math.
 
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im glad it worked out for you and didnt kill you. I hope you realize thats all reactionary and helped provide 0 solutions to the problem at hand.

I chose a more proactive path. Social distance, choose not to go out at much unless neccesary, wear a mask, carry disinfectant, carry hand sanitizer, wear a rubber glove when i pump the gas. Very simple, little things that create 0 discomfort at all and promote not spreading a virus that could kill others. Luck is involved and luckily my family and daughter have not got sick. Therefor we havent had to look into doing any of the shit you described.

All thats going to go to shit now because people were whiny bitches for 2 years and now Covid will spread to all of us and cant be stopped. Im sure Mr Omicron is just LOVING all the new hosts and is stoked about all the new variants he will morph into. So we can constantly play catch up on the next vaccine while others keep dying of Ivermectin overdoses.

It's not all reactionary, none of it is. I followed all the protocols my doctor told me to and I followed all the CDC guidelines (other than geting vax'd) like social distancing, hygiene including hand washing and hand sanitizer. I even wore a mask whenever I was around other people. Most people did all of this, particlarly in blue states where the sheeple got in line and most of those states had worse outcomes than less restrictive states. Can you explain that without dismisssing it by saying everyone who disagrees with you flunked 3rd grade math? I highly doubt it.
 
ae you sure?

from NY Times article. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/11/health/california-omicron-hospitalizations.html

A new study of nearly 70,000 Covid patients in California demonstrates that Omicron causes less severe disease than other coronavirus variants.

The new research, posted online Tuesday, aligns with similar findings from South Africa, Britain and Denmark, as well as a host of experiments on animals.

?It?s truly a viral factor that accounts for reduced severity,? said Joseph Lewnard, an epidemiologist at the University of California, Berkeley, and an author of the study, which has not yet been published in a scientific journal.

Compared with Delta, Omicron infections were half as likely to send people to the hospital. Out of more than 52,000 Omicron patients identified from electronic medical records of Kaiser Permanente of Southern California, a large health system, Dr. Lewnard and his colleagues found that not a single patient went on a ventilator during that time.

apparently you missed the study that shows California (particularly epidemiologists at Cal Berkeley), South Africa, Britain and Denmark have the highest rates of 3rd grad math flunkees.
 
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