Coronainsanity

[Spartanmack]

It's a lot more than simply being late for work, GM canceled a shift for its workers in Lansing and a Ford plant in Ontario was closed because of this. They have the right to protest, but that doesn't give them the right to protest wherever they want.

Again, get a vaccine or find another job. Nobody is making you get a vaccine, you're free to go work somewhere else if it's that important to you.

Are the protesters breaking the law? Absolutely, but they have beards and hate liberals so we'll just ignore that.

yeah, I don't think Trudeau was thinking of workers in Lansing when he said the protestors were putting people in Ottawa in danger. I doubt that's what the police chief in Ottawa had in mind either, or CNN when they called the protests volatile, violent and dangerous.

Right, no one is making you get a vaccine, they're just making you get it if you want to keep your job. Makes a lot of sense that truckers, who spend their workdays alone in their trucks, need to get vaccinated - to protect people they're not around which it wouldn't do even if they were around others because vaccines don't prevent infection or spread of the virus. Why not threaten their livelihoods then pretend we're not making them get vaccinated? Should they trust that Trudeau and his ilk won't target their next job?

I have no idea how they feel about liberals. As far as I can tell, they're simply protesting a vaccine mandate. But it's clear as day that liberals (who absurdly claim to be for the working class) hate them. it's hilarious that you're suddenly worried about the legality of the protests - where were you when all the BLM law breakers were destroying the property and livelihoods of people in urban centers all across America?

 

[tigermud]

Sbee has a valid point in that they do not have the right to block the roads, nor did the protestors in the US while they were burning down cities.. The main post that started this back and forth still stands though and is valid. this IS an accurate portrayal of left wing media

 

[Spartanmack]

Sbee has a valid point in that they do not have the right to block the roads, nor did the protestors in the US while they were burning down cities.. The main post that started this back and forth still stands though and is valid. this IS an accurate portrayal of left wing media

sure, but that's not in dispute. No one is defending them blocking roads or shutting down border crossings.

 

[Sbee]

sure, but that's not in dispute. No one is defending the blocking of roads

You keep referring to it as peaceful protests, ignoring the fact they're breaking the law

 

[Spartanmack]

You keep referring to it as peaceful protests, ignoring the fact they're breaking the law

I'm not ignoring the fact that some laws are being broken. That doesn't make them violent, dangerous or volatile. It is peaceful civil disobedience. They're not violent and they're not dangerous but they're also not perfect - apologies for not acknowledging that fact.

 

[Sbee]

Sbee has a valid point in that they do not have the right to block the roads, nor did the protestors in the US while they were burning down cities.. The main post that started this back and forth still stands though and is valid. this IS an accurate portrayal of left wing media

facts may not be on your side, 93% of BLM protests were peaceful.

https://acleddata.com/2020/09/03/de...violence-in-america-new-data-for-summer-2020/

Violent protests ranged from physical violence to knocking down a statue, or burning tires. 42% of Americans think that most BLM protesters are trying to incite violence and damage property, but of course that breaks on partisan lines.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-americans-feel-about-george-floyds-death-and-the-protests/

 

[Spartanmack]

facts may not be on your side, 93% of BLM protests were peaceful.

https://acleddata.com/2020/09/03/de...violence-in-america-new-data-for-summer-2020/

Violent protests ranged from physical violence to knocking down a statue, or burning tires. 42% of Americans think that most BLM protesters are trying to incite violence and damage property, but of course that breaks on partisan lines.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-americans-feel-about-george-floyds-death-and-the-protests/

you left out assaulting and injury police, journalists and civilians - oh and all the murders.

100% of Americans should be well aware that BLM protestors are responsible for billions of dollars in property damage, assaults and serious injuries including murder. But that's OK, 93% of the protests were peaceful and that's nothing compared to incidental shutting down of an auto plant in Lansing, MI.

By the way, how was that 93% calculated and how low would that have to be before you stop using it to justify the extreme violence and property damage from the other 7%? The piece you linked used total "protests" of 10,600 to water down the percent that were violent. I wonder how many people have to gather to be considered a demonstration because 10,600 demonstrations seems like an awfully high number. What if they were to limit it to some minimum number of people or major urban centers? It's a joke to try to dismiss lives lost, billions in property damage, livelihoods ruined, urban neighborhoods decimated as mostly peaceful. And the most obvious joke of all was the media used the "mostly peaceful" line to describe even the violent riots.

 

[tigermud]

Pfizer is forecasting $54 billion in Covid-related sales in 2022.

But the bad news on the horizon is quietly being discussed.

The evidence lies in Pfizer?s several redline changes in their Q4 earnings releases.

According to Rubicon Capital?s Kelly Brown, the changes center around disclosures of unfavorable safety data.

Stating that in Q4 they added: ?or further information regarding the quality of pre-clinical, clinical or safety data, including by audit or inspection.?
https://www.infowars.com/posts/pfizer-suppresses-explosive-information-exclusive-report/

 

[tigermud]

A CDC panel is recommending a longer waiting period in between mRNA covid shots due to a reported spike in heart inflammation cases. This is a remarkable admission that the vaccines have an increased risk of side effects for millions of Americans.

?A wider gap between the first two doses of the mRNA Covid-19 vaccines could improve the shots? effectiveness and help reduce the risk of a rare type of heart inflammation called myocarditis, experts told a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention advisory committee on Friday,? as NBC reported.

?Members of the group, the CDC?s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, largely supported extending the recommended interval between the first two doses of both the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines to eight weeks,? the report added.


An Oxford University study earlier showed that the risk of myocarditis, a form of heart inflammation, is greater from getting ?vaccinated? with the mRNA shots than from contracting the virus itself. The study was originally published in Nature in December.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01630-0

 

[tigermud]

Harvard professor, CNN analyst and former Obama admin undersecretary of Homeland Security Juliette Kayyem has called for violence and vandalism against Freedom Convoy protesters who have amassed on the bridge that connects Detroit, Michigan to Windsor, Ontario.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political...fessor-and-cnn-analyst-calls-violence-against


The blockade, now in its fourth day, has drawn the attention of Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, who called on Canadian authorities to reopen the bridge, according to the Epoch Times.

"The blockade is having a significant impact on Michigan?s working families who are just trying to do their jobs. Our communities and automotive, manufacturing, and agriculture businesses are feeling the effects. It?s hitting paychecks and production lines. That is unacceptable," the Democratic governor said in a Thursday statement.

"It is imperative that Canadian local, provincial, and national governments de-escalate this economic blockade," she added, without suggesting how. "They must take all necessary and appropriate steps to immediately and safely reopen traffic so we can continue growing our economy, supporting good-paying jobs, and lowering costs for families."

According to Kayyem, slashing tires, stealing gas, arresting the protesters, and somehow moving all the trucks is the way to go.

 

[Michchamp]

Harvard professor, CNN analyst and former Obama admin undersecretary of Homeland Security Juliette Kayyem has called for violence and vandalism against Freedom Convoy protesters who have amassed on the bridge that connects Detroit, Michigan to Windsor, Ontario.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political...fessor-and-cnn-analyst-calls-violence-against


The blockade, now in its fourth day, has drawn the attention of Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, who called on Canadian authorities to reopen the bridge, according to the Epoch Times.

"The blockade is having a significant impact on Michigan?s working families who are just trying to do their jobs. Our communities and automotive, manufacturing, and agriculture businesses are feeling the effects. It?s hitting paychecks and production lines. That is unacceptable," the Democratic governor said in a Thursday statement.

"It is imperative that Canadian local, provincial, and national governments de-escalate this economic blockade," she added, without suggesting how. "They must take all necessary and appropriate steps to immediately and safely reopen traffic so we can continue growing our economy, supporting good-paying jobs, and lowering costs for families."

According to Kayyem, slashing tires, stealing gas, arresting the protesters, and somehow moving all the trucks is the way to go.

What exactly are they protesting? A vaccine mandate, right? and it's like a small minority of them that refuse to get it? I read something like 90% of Canadian truck drivers were vaccinated, and the mandate only applied if the travelled internationally.



They're not protesting unsafe working conditions, low wages, or any sort of objective concrete material benefits for themselves, do have that correct?

 

[Spartanmack]

Harvard professor, CNN analyst and former Obama admin undersecretary of Homeland Security Juliette Kayyem has called for violence and vandalism against Freedom Convoy protesters who have amassed on the bridge that connects Detroit, Michigan to Windsor, Ontario.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political...fessor-and-cnn-analyst-calls-violence-against

According to Kayyem, slashing tires, stealing gas, arresting the protesters, and somehow moving all the trucks is the way to go.

Slashing tires and emptying fuel tanks doesn't seem like the best way to get trucks off of a bridge. They might want to pass over her application if they're looking to hire a project manager to get traffic going again.

Side note - when we were kids, one of my little sisters was friends with the kids her age whose family owns the Ambassador Bridge. I'd love to see the look on MC's face when he finds out the Ambassador Bridge is privately owned - his head will probably explode.

 

[Spartanmack]

What exactly are they protesting? A vaccine mandate, right? and it's like a small minority of them that refuse to get it? I read something like 90% of Canadian truck drivers were vaccinated, and the mandate only applied if the travelled internationally.



They're not protesting unsafe working conditions, low wages, or any sort of objective concrete material benefits for themselves, do have that correct?

Tyranny - they're protesting authoritarian tyranny. And you're doing a pretty good job of proving you don't actually care about working class slobs you and the rest of the socialist and communist hypocrites pretend to care about. Once the working class actually unites, rises up and demonstrates against authoritarian tyranny, you find a way to weasel out of standing up for them and instead siding with the authoritarians. Like every good communist, you only support protests that divide us over made up issues.

 

[Gulo Blue]

At this time New Deaths is dropping in South Africa and appear to be declining in UK as well at this point. US should begin seeing decline in about 2 weeks based on New Cases dropping.

I don't know if you've revisited these numbers, but it's clear now, that was noise, not the trend at the time.

 

[Sbee]

Tyranny - they're protesting authoritarian tyranny. And you're doing a pretty good job of proving you don't actually care about working class slobs you and the rest of the socialist and communist hypocrites pretend to care about. Once the working class actually unites, rises up and demonstrates against authoritarian tyranny, you find a way to weasel out of standing up for them and instead siding with the authoritarians. Like every good communist, you only support protests that divide us over made up issues.

Good attempt to create an equivalence for all demonstrations, but alas, they are not the same thing. Is it possible that someone could more easily support a demonstration (legal) for better wages and working conditions and one is their desire to make themselves more likely to die from Covid AND keep their jobs at the same time? But no, all demonstrations are the same and if you don't support any demonstration at any time for any reason, you're a communist and hypocrite.

 

[Spartanmack]

Good attempt to create an equivalence for all demonstrations, but alas, they are not the same thing. Is it possible that someone could more easily support a demonstration (legal) for better wages and working conditions and one is their desire to make themselves more likely to die from Covid AND keep their jobs at the same time. But no, all demonstrations are the same and if you don't support any demonstration at any time for any reason, you're a communist and hypocrite.

I'm not creating an equivalence - I'm not saying they're the same thing at all. I'm saying this demonstration is over a real problem affecting real working class people whereas the demonstrations he tends to support are over mostly made up issues. If you think that's drawing an equivalence, you clearly don't know the difference between making a distinction and drawing an equivalence.

On the other hand, you're obfuscating and misrepresenting on purpose of course because you can't make your case without denying the actual purpose of this demonstration and constantly pointing out that a couple laws are being broken - then calling BLM riots legal but I think you mean "mostly legal" since at least 7% of them were extremely violent riots. MC is a communist and a hypocrite, because he's a communist and communists are often hypocrites, like in this case where workers are demonstrating against authoritarian tyranny, for their right to live more freely, not for the right to die more easily as you so stupidly put it.

 

[Sbee]

I'm not creating an equivalence - I'm not saying they're the same thing at all. I'm saying this demonstration is over a real problem affecting real working class people whereas the demonstrations he tends to support are over mostly made up issues. If you think that's drawing an equivalence, you clearly don't know the difference between making a distinction and drawing an equivalence.

On the other hand, you're obfuscating and misrepresenting on purpose of course because you can't make your case without denying the actual purpose of this demonstration and constantly pointing out that a couple laws are being broken - then calling BLM riots legal but I think you mean "mostly legal" since at least 7% of them were extremely violent riots. MC is a communist and a hypocrite, because he's a communist and communists are often hypocrites, like in this case where workers are demonstrating against authoritarian tyranny, for their right to live more freely, not for the right to die more easily as you so stupidly put it.

Trying to paint Michchamp as a hypocrite for supporting one sort of trucker protest vs another is linking the two things together.

As for BLM, since you want so badly to take the conversation there, I don't support any actions that violate any laws. I support the cause but of course any violent action isn't supported. That 7% number includes a number of incidents where no there was no physical harm to any individual.

As for the describing a vaccine mandate for truckers crossing a border as tyranny, that's a joke. I know right wingers like to live out some 1776 fantasy so they convince themselves that a country requiring that foreign travelers that enter that country be vaccinated is so cruel and oppressive that it fits the definition of tyranny. If that is truly tranny and overreach as you say, the courts will side with the protesters, so far, they've been tossing lawuits out left and right.

 

[tigermud]

Slashing tires and emptying fuel tanks doesn't seem like the best way to get trucks off of a bridge. They might want to pass over her application if they're looking to hire a project manager to get traffic going again.

Side note - when we were kids, one of my little sisters was friends with the kids her age whose family owns the Ambassador Bridge. I'd love to see the look on MC's face when he finds out the Ambassador Bridge is privately owned - his head will probably explode.

oh wow I forgot that was privately owned! interesting.

 

[tigermud]

What exactly are they protesting? A vaccine mandate, right? and it's like a small minority of them that refuse to get it? I read something like 90% of Canadian truck drivers were vaccinated, and the mandate only applied if the travelled internationally.



They're not protesting unsafe working conditions, low wages, or any sort of objective concrete material benefits for themselves, do have that correct?

I do not know what the percentage is of those got the first to go along to get along then drew the line at the boosters with the ever evolving moving goal posts that define what it means to be fully vax'd

 

[tigermud]

I think the line was drawn at vaccine passports and show your papers edicts. that's a bridge to far for obvious historical reasons, it's about freedom of choice and resistance to the tyranny that these types of edicts lead to. If the line isn't drawn here it's too late to draw it later.