Coronainsanity

[tigermud]

Good discussion on C2C last night as god forbidding as C2C is for thumb. Guy is very pro vaccine but has nothing good to say about BigPhrama. Get BigPhrama teeth out of the medical decisions and maybe we can find better solutions.

https://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2022-02-08-show/

A family physician for 22 years, Dr. John Abramson serves on the faculty at Harvard Medical School. In the first half, he discussed the tangled web of moneyed interests at the heart of the US healthcare system and how Big Pharma relentlessly pursues profits for its shareholders. While he believes in free markets, he noted that certain successful drugs allow pharmaceutical companies to hold a monopoly because they control the patent. Because of this, working people can be extorted over prescription prices, he continued. In the US, the healthcare industry and particularly Big Pharma, is very unregulated compared to other countries. "We've got to put the guardrails back on this industry," he advised.


One step toward regulation would be to instigate a "health technology assessment" made by an independent body, which analyzes new drugs and compares them to older ones, and recommends which ones are most effective or worth the price being charged. Abramson pointed out that new drugs that are often pushed on patients are staggeringly expensive, whereas older (and cheaper) formulations may work just as well. While he's highly critical of the drug companies in general, he thinks they got it right in developing the COVID vaccines on short notice when we faced an unprecedented threat. However, he added, "we didn't make sure the drug companies would do a reasonable job of vaccinating the poorer countries," which may lead to further virus variants that breed in those locations.

 

[tinselwolverine]

you're not paying attention - that's precisely what is being said. The Canadian Prime Minister, mayor of Ottowa, virtually all of the mainstream media coverage have all called the truckers things like terrorists, racists, etc. They supposedly found someone in the crowd with a swastika and another with a confederate flag (probably both plants) and they're attempting to label the entire protest as far right racist reactionaries and terrorists.

And of course, literally everyone was calling the BLM riots mostly peaceful protests.

There ain?t even no black nor Jewish people that live in Canada, eh?

Maybe one or two hockey players, but they?re sports heroes, eh?

Everybody loves them!

 

[tigermud]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...n-chaos-truckers-start-Freedom-Convoy-US.html

 

[tinselwolverine]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...n-chaos-truckers-start-Freedom-Convoy-US.html

The Super Bowl has been doomed since they decided not to move it to Arlington TX.

 

[Sbee]

Not true they absolutely are.
https://www.wndnewscenter.org/u-s-m...s-as-insurrectionists-as-protest-hits-border/

Nobody is saying it's violent, that's hyperbole. grow up

 

[tinselwolverine]

When you get frustrated in this thread, it's always fun to go back and read the first couple pages and see how wrong people were, but still never shut up, admitted anything, or reconsidered shit.

The first couple of pages don?t reveal much - pretty much the guy who started the thread on the NBA board who has long since fucked off bitching about Rudy Gobert and bitching at and about everything and everyone else, and being the general dick he was.

 

[tigermud]

Nobody is saying it's violent, that's hyperbole. grow up

Not true.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/canada-trucker-freedom-protests-peaceful-joy-love-protesters
Were do you get your news, from under a rock?

 

[Spartanmack]

There ain?t even no black nor Jewish people that live in Canada, eh?

Maybe one or two hockey players, but they?re sports heroes, eh?

Everybody loves them!

and what's somebody doing w/ a confederate flag in Canada? That makes no sense. Probably some crisis actor from the US who didn't have a swastika handy so he grabbed the confederate flag off his living room wall (because he's obviously a Democrat and that's where most Democrats keep their confederate flags - proudly displayed on the living room wall) hopped on his bike and rode to Canada from the Detroit side (because he wants a small carbon footprint and the roads are all blocked by semis with square wheels). I bet if they interviewed him, he would give himself away instantly because he's too dumb to know Canadians end every sentence with "eh."

 

[Sbee]

If only you knew how funny it is for someone to make this point quoting an MC post. He's the king of posting articles that don't say what he claims, hoping no one will read them.



Isn't that exactly what you were trying to do when talking about the "universal effectiveness" of vaccines - using the delta as your justification for judging people who don't get the vaccine? Isn't the delta what matters? Yeah, it is - you want to know the increased risk of an adverse outcome when deciding if something is worth the risk. And in the case of the myocarditis risk, the delta is actually based on proper math.

There's a pretty well documented increased risk of an adverse outcome of Covid without the vaccine.

 

[tigermud]

That's actually a good idea for a news site, underarocknews.com


from under a rock news. I like it.

 

[Sbee]

Not true.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/canada-trucker-freedom-protests-peaceful-joy-love-protesters
Were do you get your news, from under a rock?

Give me a break, no mention of physical violence. I love the idea that US media are trying to smear these guys. They have no right to shut down supply chains and make people wait hours at the bridge because they want to remain unvaccinated AND work as a trucker.

 

[tigermud]

Give me a break, no mention of physical violence. I love the idea that US media are trying to smear these guys. They have no right to shut down supply chains and make people wait hours at the bridge because they want to remain unvaccinated AND work as a trucker.

Truckers are the life blood of the supply chain, you have no right to require them to be vaccinated so you can feel safer. They have nothing to lose. We have a stale mate. we'll see how it all unfolds.

 

[Sbee]

Truckers are the life blood of the supply chain, you have no right to require them to be vaccinated so you can feel safer. They have nothing to lose. We have a stale mate. we'll see how it all unfolds.

If it's that important to them that they're willing to lose their jobs, so be it. They can easily work in another industry if they're that determined to increase their chance of dying from Covid.

 

[Spartanmack]

There's a pretty well documented increased risk of an adverse outcome of Covid without the vaccine.

yeah, it's well known that COVID is a real risk for elderly people and those with comorbidities. They should seriously consider getting the vaccine - but it's ultimately up to them. There's also a pretty well documented risk of adverse outcomes from COVID for healthy young people, and it's quite low. Then there's long COVID which MC usually pivots to when presented with data that indicates young, healthy people don't have a significant risk of getting seriously ill or dying. Per the study he often posts, and probably didn't read, one of the worst is having a cough up to 6 months after recovery.

 

[tigermud]

If it's that important to them that they're willing to lose their jobs, so be it. They can easily work in another industry if they're that determined to increase their chance of dying from Covid.

That it is, if you can be mandated into experimental vaccines you can be mandated into a re-education camps if you don't comply with the edict. Australia isn't that far off from that now. Have a nice day Sbee

 

[Spartanmack]

Give me a break, no mention of physical violence. I love the idea that US media are trying to smear these guys. They have no right to shut down supply chains and make people wait hours at the bridge because they want to remain unvaccinated AND work as a trucker.

Trudeau himself has said multiple times that the safety of residents around these protests is at risk from the protestors, always mentioning the swastikas and the confederate flag. The chief of police in Ottawa said of the protest "this remains and increasingly volatile and increasingly dangerous situation." CNN called the protest "a violent and dangerous situation." Actual violence isn't the problem - the problem is these assholes in charge want everyone to think the protestors are violent and are a threat to the safety of other Canadians. The fact that they're dead wrong and there is no violence doesn't excuse their disgusting attacks against their own citizens peacefully protesting.

 

[Sbee]

Trudeau himself has said multiple times that the safety of residents around these protests is at risk from the protestors, always mentioning the swastikas and the confederate flag. Actual violence isn't the problem - the problem is these assholes in charge want everyone to think the protestors are violent and are a threat to the safety of other Canadians. The fact that they're dead wrong and there is no violence doesn't excuse their disgusting attacks against their own citizens peacefully protesting.

The way you continue to play with words to keep the argument going is amazing. Trudeau said that the safety of the residents is at risk, there's some validity to that but you make it seem like they're implying violent acts towards citizens which is such a reach.

You can say the protest is peaceful since nobody is getting assaulted, but they clearly don't have a permit for demonstration and it would never be approved on the Ambassador bridge. You could just as easily say they're engaging in lawlessness.

Your take is such a reach, they're peacefully protesting (while breaking laws) and Trudeau implies violent acts towards citizens (he mentioned risks, not physical violence).

 

[Spartanmack]

The way you continue to play with words to keep the argument going is amazing. Trudeau said that the safety of the residents is at risk, there's some validity to that but you make it seem like they're implying violent acts towards citizens which is such a reach.

You can say the protest is peaceful since nobody is getting assaulted, but they clearly don't have a permit for demonstration and it would never be approved on the Ambassador bridge. You could just as easily say they're engaging in lawlessness.

Your take is such a reach, they're peacefully protesting (while breaking laws) and Trudeau implies violent acts towards citizens (he mentioned risks, not physical violence).

Nice try. I'm not the one playing with words - that's Trudeau and you're falling for it by defending them as technically accurate, therefore not misleading. Trudeau is clearly leading people to believe that these peaceful protestors are dangerous. He's talking about swastikas and confederate flags. Why? do you think he's mentioning swastikas and confederate flags because they cause traffic jams and delay people trying to get somewhere? "Watch out for that guy waving a nazi flag, he might make you late for work." The police chief called the protest an "increasingly volatile and increasingly dangerous situation." CNN called the protest "a violent and dangerous situation".

If anyone is reaching it's you trying to defend these tactics by parsing words and explaining them away as not calling or even implying the protest is an angry mob of dangerous people.

 

[Sbee]

Nice try. I'm not the one playing with words - that's Trudeau and you're falling for it by defending them as technically accurate, therefore not misleading. Trudeau is clearly leading people to believe that these peaceful protestors are dangerous. He's talking about swastikas and confederate flags. Why? because they cause traffic jams and delay people trying to get somewhere. "Watch out for that guy waving a nazi flag, he might make you late for work." The police chief called the protest an "increasingly volatile and increasingly dangerous situation." CNN called the protest "a violent and dangerous situation".

If anyone is reaching it's you trying to defend these tactics by parsing words and explaining them away as not calling or even implying the protest is an angry mob of dangerous people.

It's a lot more than simply being late for work, GM canceled a shift for its workers in Lansing and a Ford plant in Ontario was closed because of this. They have the right to protest, but that doesn't give them the right to protest wherever they want.

Again, get a vaccine or find another job. Nobody is making you get a vaccine, you're free to go work somewhere else if it's that important to you.

Are the protesters breaking the law? Absolutely, but they have beards and hate liberals so we'll just ignore that.

 

[tomdalton22]

I wonder when the blood sucking lawyers are going to start advertising to get business from covid deaths.

"did you or a loved one get covid while forced to work around someone without a mask? Did a loved one die of covid? Call us today to get the compensation YOU deserve"